Stop me buying this turkish wooden beauty

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Hello dear forumites.
First i wish all of you a merry X-mas, and thanks for all wisdom i have learned
on this forum!
I am offered this 1985 wooden gaffrigged dobbleender -trihandil - in Turkey.
Built in Bodrum 1985. Planking is pine with a teak deck , which is to be renewed
according to the seller. Engine Westerbeke/Perkins 58 hp, overhauled 2010.
I already have a smallish grp sailing boat in FINIKE (southern Turkey) and want to get something a little bigger with the charm (pain?) of a wooden boat. I am fully aware of the time consuming maintanence of a wooden boat, but we have plenty of skilled yard-workers here in Finike.
Asking some 20.000 € / 17.000 Pounds.
Should i go for it ?
Looking forward to your comments.

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See what she sails like first, is that painted engine ok, i am wary of newly painted engines on boats ,cars ,and bikes. it needs to be run at 80% power for 40 mins under load- any faults should then come to light.

but i suspect you have already made your mind up- good luck.
 
I remember seeing a largish gulet being built many years ago and we only anchored in the area for a short time. I saw a keel being laid one day and each time I passed the yard the hull had jumped up another level. I was surprised how quickly they finished the hull.

I mentioned it to a friend who lived out there and he said everything was soft wood and didn't last long. He said that they didn't have a great life expectancy but owners just had all the bits removed and fitted to the replacement hull when the first one wore out.

So OK to buy if labour is cheap and skills available



PS I never really believed it either.
 
Let me start by stating that I absolutely love timber boats, a thing of great beauty.

But.

I would rather be sailing than sanding, oiling, varnishing and polishing.

And.

This is not a classic wooden boat, it looks more like something that would not sail out of sight on a dark night. Not a thing of beauty, just a wooden boat.

Not something I would give a second glance at even if labour is cheap.

I would be looking for a larger boat with classic lines and a lot less timber. Think what the maintenance cost and time lost on the water will be worth and you will have enough to the larger vesel you crave, and, pay less in the long term.

Good luck and fair winds. :)

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no

it looks like it will roll !!
not much below the water line, it's almost as if it's to short kind of scaled down but with the rig being over sized

cheers
mick
 
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Thank you all for very constructive answers.
The seller is a 69 year odl german gentleman, who it seems to treated the boat well, see pictures above.
Our aim is local costal sailing , maybe a trip to the Greek islands. Not further beyond.
 
I have owned and loved wooden boats but only in northern latitudes. However, I have been told a salutary tale by someone with one in Turkey that he had to pay for someone to daily hose down his boat to stop the timbers drying out and opening up the seams in the hot sun. His final words were, "Never again".
 
Is she a conversion as the hull is standard local fishing boat lines. being Turkish flagged presume you have a Residents Permit .

However, I have been told a salutary tale by someone with one in Turkey that he had to pay for someone to daily hose down his boat to stop the timbers drying out and opening up the seams in the hot sun.
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Have no problems with my 5.50 m painted plywood dayboat which sits on her mooring all summer and with a harbour full of wooden planked hulls have never seen anyone doing that not even our local fishermen who leave them in all year round.
 
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She is build by Erol Agan yard in Bodrum, which is quite famus in wood built yachts in Turkey.
Turkey is very populated with wooden boats of all kind.

I got today an estimate for a new teakdeck...some 4000 Pounds...
I must haggle with the seller i think.

Yes it is turkish flagged = no problem for me as i have a turkish resident permit.
 
Biggest concern for me would be the softwood construction, big no no. As already said, whether that is the case or not would need clarification.
 
Have a look at this website.

http://www.bodrumyachtservices.com/GuletConstruction.html

About 2/3 down the page you'll see this

Pine Construction
Pine (pinos strobus, pinos resinosa, pinos nigra, pinus palustris) was originally one of the most abundant local wood suitable for building gulets though it is no longer a popular material with which to build. As pine was widely available along the interior of the Aegean coast and the least expensive material available for builders, many older gulets are constructed of pine. The drawback of pine hulled gulets is vulnerability towards worms and rot, though pine hulls which have been well built and well maintained can still be good value.
 
I am in Turkey at the moment, they make these things at the end of our street. like so many of them its NEVER been a sail boat, Where is the track for the mainsail?

I'ii wager there are no winches or clutches either, the rig is purely for display purposes.

That said there are lots of them out here and and long as you don't want to go far in any sort of weather they are fine, but they are a bit roly.

Please check for wood worm, the teak on the deck is where you can see it, the hull is probably pine.

enjoy it
 
Marsupial said:
I am in Turkey at the moment, they make these things at the end of our street. like so many of them its NEVER been a sail boat, Where is the track for the mainsail?

I'ii wager there are no winches or clutches either, the rig is purely for display purposes.

That said there are lots of them out here and and long as you don't want to go far in any sort of weather they are fine, but they are a bit roly.

Please check for wood worm, the teak on the deck is where you can see it, the hull is probably pine.

enjoy it
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It's a gaffer. The main will probably be laced to the mast and spars. However, I don't think you are wrong. I can't see any form of mainsheet.:D
 
Niander said:
Whats the keel construction on these? cast iron bolted?
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all the ones I have seen being built have "tree wood" keels, they laminate the keel from lots of bits of wood and fashion it into a "one piece" stem, keel and stern post - a bit like a Viking long ship. Then they unstick it from the road and prop it up and make the ribs the same way. The size of the boat depends very much on the size of the pile of timber. Its a weird mixture of ancient and modern shipbuilding, the laminated beams, ribs and knees are made with modern expanding foam adhesives. Masts are often solid wood or more worrying steel tubing, on some gullets I have seen the masts and spreaders are steel I section beams the weight aloft is vast and sails are a definite no no.

Its quite amazing to watch, a couple of trucks dump a pile of timber in the road and a week later they launch a "boat" - never seen a plan as such, the boat sort of evolves to some ancient design passed down from father to son sort of idea.

When the worms have eaten the hull they take all the metal bits off and build another one.

fascinating!
 
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