Startron v Soltron

[Deleted User YDKXO]

OK, whats the difference? Names sound suspiciously similar. Is this a cynical brand proliferation campaign or has Soltron been rebranded and somebody not a million miles from this forum is buying a bigger boat? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[BrendanS]

not to mention xbee and solpower

Solpower claim to be the licensed manfacturers, and distribute it in Europe as Xbee, so the Soltron that is sold in the UK comes from a different Soltron
http://www.x-tra.bz/indexuk.html
http://www.solpower.com/soltron/soltronFAQ.asp
and I can't understand how Startron can be claiming it's the worlds first enzymatic treatment when both Soltron's and Xbee have been on the market for ages?

 

[tcm]

Like you it depends whether startron is beeing sold by a certain person in Guernsey, i reckon. My gues is that startron is total and utter garbage, whereas soltron is the very peak of enzymochemical (?) excellence.

 

[jfm]

I was gonna post on the same subject. Startron ends in tron so sounds similar, and makes similar claims. That full page densely typed ad in this month's MBY has been run in all the frecnh boat mags this month too (in french)

Cost is similar. Startron is about €16.50 for a bottle of 250ml i think. Not sure the concentration, will check the like for like cost and report back

Startron is gonna kill Soltron because of Star's distribution chain. It's the same line of products as all those Starbrite cleaners and Startron is already on chandlery shelves right across Europe. In contrast, Soltron is a PITA to get hold of

 

[longjohnsilver]

I'm pretty sure that there has already been a fred on this with Dom contributing that it's nowhere near as good as Solly and no data to back up their claims, but I could be wrong.

Now found it here

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Have to see jfm's point though, if Joe Boater can get Startron from his local swindlery and has heard of somethingtron for diesel, guess where his cash goes.

 

[trev]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

I'm surprised no-one has produced a 'buy off the shelf' product before.
I've always found it a bit of a hassle getting hold of Soltron. Much easier to buy a similar product from the swindlery.

 

[ChrisP]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

If anyone in the Brighton area wants SOLTRON get in touch and I can supply it. If you're actually in the marina I'll get it delivered to your boat even if you're only passing through. I usually keep enough to treat about 3000ltrs but if you want more, with a bit of notice I will have it waiting for you any time of day.

Chris /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[hlb]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

You've been able to buy it here, off me for years. Given up now.

 

[miket]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

Hi Chris.

Missed your cynical responses.
All seems to be "what's your favourite colour" or "are you out this weekend" at the moment.

Still got the Humber?

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

Need to fill up before next weekend.

Where, on the Thames, can I get Soltron over the counter? I moor at Sunbury. I'm guessing that this Startron stuff will be on the shelf at Walton/Bridge/Ditton etc swindleries.

 

[Forbsie]

Re: not to mention xbee and solpower

I bought some at Shepperton a couple of weeks ago.

 

[peterd]

For those that are interested.

Starbrite acquired the rights to market Soltron product from Solpower USA. Solpower is the owner of the formula developed by a renowned Japanese Scientist and has the worldwide rights to this enzyme technology. This is the first any only Enzyme technology that we are aware of. Soltron UK registered the name Soltron for the UK but their formula is not the same as Soltron USA or StarTron. We have asked for information on their claims and formulas but have not received a response. Soltron UK did originally have access to the original enzyme product but that source was cut off when Solpower USA bought the worldwide rights to that formula. We have no idea what they are using as a substitute.

Starbrite is now marketing the enzyme formula, which was the first and to our knowledge only enzyme formula as Starbrite StarTron.

All the nonsense about benzene and toluene in formula is all bunk. Read the MSD's and you can verify. The very first formulas used mineral spirits. All mineral spirits has a trace amount of benzene which is in parts per million. This has no health hazards what so ever. StarTron uses a much higher-grade carrier and it has "0" benzene.

Hope this clears up some of phony information being passed around.

Feel free to go to our website www.starbrite.com

For those people trying to knock our products... we did not get to number 1 worldwide with bad products.!!!!!! The public decides what is good and stays in the market place.

We bought the rights to StarTron when we saw the unbelievable results we got when testing the product. We manufacture many gas additives for ourselves as well as private label for many of the majors. To date I have not seen a product do what StarTron does.

Hope this info helps.

Regards,

Peterd
Starbrite USA

 

[Solitaire]

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Feel free to go to our website www.starbrite.com



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What a horrible looking web site! You certainly don't invest the funds in design that we here in the UK have to pay for your products! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[BrendanS]

Welcome. Nice to get the info from the 'horse's mouth' and I expect there will be quite a lot of questions for you.

 

[jfm]

Per thanks for info. If you bought the rights to US Soltron recently (I think that's what you meant) you must think it is good, otherwise why pay for it.

I can see that your stuff is more easily purchased because it is on the shelf in shops already, but specifically what are the differences performance-wise, for the customer, between your product and the Belfast Soltron? Are they pretty similar?

I mean, if possible please dont tell us that only you have the Japanese enzyme etc, please explain to us what that means performance wise, for the end user, compared with Belfast Soltron. Is there back up data available, that you can post weblinks to?

Thanks

 

[rich]

Wot a load of Bull sh t, The truth Will come out in the end, Thats why we keep MuM.


Who are you, no profile

 

[DepSol]

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For those that are interested.

Solpower is the owner of the formula developed by a renowned Japanese Scientist and has the worldwide rights to this enzyme technology. Pray tell who this scientist is please!

This is the first any only Enzyme technology that we are aware of ahem, is that so? . Soltron UK registered the name Soltron for the UK but their formula is not the same as Soltron USA or StarTron. That is very true its not the same but has some similarities We have asked for information on their claims and formulas but have not received a response. What do you expect with the the type of markting Solpower have been in to Soltron UK did originally have access to the original enzyme product but that source was cut off when Solpower USA bought the worldwide rights to that formula. Now proof of this I would LOVE to see, if this is true what of Soltron in India and Thailand/Asia are you claiming that they are also fakes even though they have links to/from Soltron Japan or is Soltron Japan a fake aswell We have no idea what they are using as a substitute. Just enzymes suspended in Kerosene thanks

Starbrite is now marketing the enzyme formula, which was the first and to our knowledge only enzyme formula as Starbrite StarTron. What of Soltron and X-bee then?

All the nonsense about benzene and toluene in formula is all bunk. Well I have a copy of the MSDS registered in California that clearly state it is contained in the Soltron USA product Read the MSD's and you can verify. You mean the one for Ft Lauderdale! The very first formulas used mineral spirits. All mineral spirits has a trace amount of benzene which is in parts per million. This has no health hazards what so ever. StarTron uses a much higher-grade carrier and it has "0" benzene.

Hope this clears up some of phony information being passed around. Can I also ask then why, at the Mark Dowland Marine Trade show, was the attendant on the Star Tron stand actually telling retailers that this startron was actually the same as the Soltron that they were buying in the UK?

For those people trying to knock our products... we did not get to number 1 worldwide with bad products.!!!!!! The public decides what is good and stays in the market place. This is true so why did Starbrite get involved with a company that has been going downhill from the day it started, If Soltron USA is so much better than Soltron UK why has the share price of the American company fallen so hard and also why have they tried to launch Soltron in Europe, then X-bee into Europe. the USA is so much more of a bigger market then why has it not succeeded there and has to fabricate information to justify its position?

We bought the rights to StarTron when we saw the unbelievable results we got when testing the product. We manufacture many gas additives for ourselves as well as private label for many of the majors. To date I have not seen a product do what StarTron does. Obviously didnt try our Soltron then! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hope this info helps.

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Also if our product is so false then how come it has passed military filtration specification, why has it then been tested and approved a NATO stock number, why does Soltron UK have certain high class laboratories tested and approved its function, why does Soltron UK have accreditations from companies that are involved in manufacturing marine engines? Some of the questions worth asking we have written proof of these and if you look on the new Soltron labels you will see the NATO STOCK NUMBER printed on it.

What you say is that Soltron was created in Japan and then handed over to you guys. then what are Solpower Japan Corporation doing with it then. Also I see no mention of Soltron USA/Solpower US on this web page here but they are mentioned here along with your Dr Makino.

Also if you have sole rights to this product then why can people still buy x-bee. Let me get this right the people you have bought Soltron from are now competing with you with exactly the same product in exactly the same market, how does that work?

As for registering a product and palming it off as Soltron then check our MSDS. Soltron USA quote "Soltron® / Xbee® is now entering its sixth year in the marketplace" well I have been in with Soltron for 5 years, my associate for 9 years and thats well after it waslaunched in the UK/Europe, so how can we copy the Soltron USA if we have placed and received our registration well before that and have been trading long before them too. We also have records of tests and information from laboratories since before 6 years ago. So maybe its not so much trash after all !

Soltron USA also state "A manufacturer can put just about anything they want into a fuel additive for an individual’s use, and off-road fuels (marine included) are exempt entirely. It is literally, “Buyer Beware”." Yes buyer beware, best to buy a product that has been thouroughly tested by labs, companies and users and has the accreditations to go with it, to be on the safe side!

I look forward to your reply on the above Peter.

 

[Planty]

Dom,

Am I reading this right, 'cos as a very impressed user of what I believe is "Soltron" (your product) for years now, I am very interested.

Reading between the lines are you saying that someone somewhere invented / produced an enzyme that has since been hiked around all over the world and rights sold to all & sundry, all believing they had some sorts of "Rights" both territorial or intelectual which was in fact not the case and charletons are indeed abroad. (Ironic really on election day)? Or is it that some clever dick has "perloined" the original and is passing off as the "Original". Either way a lot of sharp practice seems to be going on that is actually putting me off using any product named "....tron" as it is bloody expensive anyway and Diesel Doctor looks very attractive from where I stand.

I'd love to support you or any other forumite just need to know what is actually what, 'cos all the certificates in the world mean jacks**t if they are associated to a product you believe you are buying yet in fact its something else that sounds the same??

Bit like the "Guild of Master Craftsmen", just pay your membership your in, don't mean jack really, nice impressive badge though.

Understand legals make things difficult, just point us in the direction of the shister, consumers normally can do the rest. I'm sure Per reckons he's got a "true" agreement too, by the sound of it?? All IMHO of course. Paul

 

[Perrins]

Depsol

Its been said on here before by regular posters that a NATO stock no. isn’t all its cracked up to be, there are probably thousands of different equipment/products kicking around the world with NATO no. which are useless. Question is; who's using it and where are the testimonials from the Armed Forces using Soltron.

You've also said on .ybw forums many times about excellent filtration tests/results, laboratories that have tested and approved its function and from marine engines manufactures who are happy to use, where are the scientific papers and testimonials from these companies, because there is none of this on your strain of Soltron websites http://www.soltron.co.uk http://www.solpowerindia.net/ http://www.solpower.co.jp/

A /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Peter