Stackpack and Sail ties

[srah1953]

If you have lazyjacks & stackpack system, do you ever use sailties to tie down the bunt of the sail using the cringles running across the sail, eg, in heavy weather? I ask because I'm getting a new stackpack made and I'm wondering what sort of provision, if any, should be made for such sailties. The main is loose footed.
Many thanks

 

[JimC]

I've never found any need to use sail ties with my stackpack.

 

[Slowtack]

Nope

 

[Skylark]

I use sail ties. My boom is very high and the sail is new, stiff as a board. It's not the easiest of tasks while at sea to get the sail down and neatly stowed within the bag so I use sail ties.

 

[ianfr]

I have 2 permanent straps sewn inside the stack pack, which are used once the sail is down.

They came in very useful the other weekend when we were on the receiving end of a very strong squall.
The stack pack is great and controls the sail everywhere except directly downwind.
The gusts we got were over 40 knots and when we turned downwind with just a small part of the genoa rolled out a bigger gust got underneath the bunt and a large amount of sail started lifting out.
A quick return to windward and the application of one of the straps got the sail under control.

Also the straps make the sail tidier when it comes to close the zip.

IMHO they should be fitted to all stackpacks.

Ian

 

[[3889]]

I have 2 permanent straps sewn inside the stack pack, which are used once the sail is down.


IMHO they should be fitted to all stackpacks.

Ian

A good idea, thanks.

 

[srah1953]

A good idea, thanks.

+1

 

[ditchcrawler]

If it i blowy when my main has been dropped into the stackpack i take the halyard down from the head of the sail under a cleat on the mast and tighten it from the cockpit through the jammer.This holds the sail down.

 

[TQA]

If it i blowy when my main has been dropped into the stackpack i take the halyard down from the head of the sail under a cleat on the mast and tighten it from the cockpit through the jammer.This holds the sail down.

+ 1

! always do this.

Also I was told that with a modern loose footed main the sail ties on the sail should not pass beneath the boom but under the foot of the main, just tidying up the bunt.

 

[Robin]

Is there confusion here between using sail ties to tidy the stowed sail bwfore the stackpack is closed up and between tying in the loose sail after a reef is put in.

When we had a large fully battened main in a lazyjack system we chose to have a normal sail cover and of course used sail ties before putting he cover on, the tie went under the boom too even though the sail wa loose footed. When reefing we never tied in the reef points because doing that could very easily damage the sail.

 

[Spirit of Glenans]

+ 1



Also I was told that with a modern loose footed main the sail ties on the sail should not pass beneath the boom but under the foot of the main, just tidying up the bunt.

It's not going to make much difference to a sail which is fully down, but when you have reefed, and wish to tidy up the bunt using ties through the line of cringles across the sail at each reefing slab, it's very advisable to tie them under the foot and not under the boom. If the reefing pennant should accidentally be released, or if someone attempts to shake out the reef without first untieing them, damage to the sail is less likely if they are done this way. How do I know this.....?

 

[Robin]

It's not going to make much difference to a sail which is fully down, but when you have reefed, and wish to tidy up the bunt using ties through the line of cringles across the sail at each reefing slab, it's very advisable to tie them under the foot and not under the boom. If the reefing pennant should accidentally be released, or if someone attempts to shake out the reef without first untieing them, damage to the sail is less likely if they are done this way. How do I know this.....?

I did find it useful to tie sail ties over the dropped sail and under the loose foot to make a tidy easy to handle bundle when removing the sail from the boom with all battens still in place. then I could remove the battens and pack the sail away in it's bag on the pontoon ready to go to the sailmaker for winter storage or whatever

 

[Slowtack]

To clarify, ,my two-line reefing system means I can reef and unreef safely and conveniently from the cockpit singlehanded. Sail ties would negate that and I find the stackpack is adequate to keep the reefed sail tidy.

 

[prv]

Also I was told that with a modern loose footed main the sail ties on the sail should not pass beneath the boom but under the foot of the main, just tidying up the bunt.

Modern - pah

Same was equally true when tying in the reef points on our old gaffer, with the sail laced to the wooden boom with marling hitches. Points went under the boltrope of the sail, not under the boom.

On our new boat with modern full battens and stackpack, we never use any form of sailties either for reefing or for stowing.

Pete