Spiritual guidance sought
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ZuidWester
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Maybe he\'s a virgin
That would be alright then. Personally I'd love to be a priest, just think of all that temptation. Seems to attract alot of gay men though, possibly due to the silly rule about celibacy and all that.
Let them marry, be gay, lesbian, vegan or whatever. I think the catholic church should question the supremacy of Rome though. Come to think of it, Luther and Tindale have done that already. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
That would be alright then. Personally I'd love to be a priest, just think of all that temptation. Seems to attract alot of gay men though, possibly due to the silly rule about celibacy and all that.
Let them marry, be gay, lesbian, vegan or whatever. I think the catholic church should question the supremacy of Rome though. Come to think of it, Luther and Tindale have done that already. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Becky
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marriedmen can join the Catholic Church as priests; they don't have to divorce their wives first.This has been possible for a while.
Apparently, in the Middle Ages (I believe) there was a woman Pope. I read or saw a prog. (Discovery Channel?) on this. So, anything can happen in Rome /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Apparently, in the Middle Ages (I believe) there was a woman Pope. I read or saw a prog. (Discovery Channel?) on this. So, anything can happen in Rome /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
StugeronSteve
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Re: And, of course, there was....
.... the nautical pope.
Pope Ye, the Sailor Man.
.... the nautical pope.
Pope Ye, the Sailor Man.
StugeronSteve
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And are there any young married priests?
[/ QUOTE ] Might be worth asking cardinal_mark, he should be an expert on such things.
And are there any young married priests?
[/ QUOTE ] Might be worth asking cardinal_mark, he should be an expert on such things.
Birdseye
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In my last year at Uni I took digs in a theological college. This was back in the era when colleges were single sex and women had to leave by 10pm. Anyway, I was amazed at the large number of girls sneeking in and staying overnight - the trainee parsons did far better than we ever did back in college. There is obviously something about a dog collar, only confirmed by the attitude of some female parishioners to our current vicar.
No comments about the laying on of hands, please!
No comments about the laying on of hands, please!
sailorman
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"Westfield House"??????
Nickel
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Now here you've identified an anomaly.
In the Church's current mode of Priesthood celibacy is the norm. It is such the norm that 99.99% of the world's priests will take vows to be celibate when ordained. Any single Catholic man offering himself for Priesthood will be asked to embrace the sacrifice of celibacy for the purposes of his ministry. And, err, generally for these reasons married men don't offer themselves for Priesthood.
However, and this is where it gets slightly contentious, married anglican ministers who then become Catholics and still feel called to ministry are under certain circumstances allowed to be ordained - they will be ordained usually with a specific restricted [for the sake of the family] ministry in mind - such as chaplaincy to prison or hospital etc.
Generally, of course, these people aren't young, and the Church would be wary of ordaining a young married man, because famillies cost, and the Church would not be able to be responsible for providing a sufficient salary.
In the Church's current mode of Priesthood celibacy is the norm. It is such the norm that 99.99% of the world's priests will take vows to be celibate when ordained. Any single Catholic man offering himself for Priesthood will be asked to embrace the sacrifice of celibacy for the purposes of his ministry. And, err, generally for these reasons married men don't offer themselves for Priesthood.
However, and this is where it gets slightly contentious, married anglican ministers who then become Catholics and still feel called to ministry are under certain circumstances allowed to be ordained - they will be ordained usually with a specific restricted [for the sake of the family] ministry in mind - such as chaplaincy to prison or hospital etc.
Generally, of course, these people aren't young, and the Church would be wary of ordaining a young married man, because famillies cost, and the Church would not be able to be responsible for providing a sufficient salary.
l'escargot
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The thing to remember is that there are 2 definitions of celibacy - 1 is to be unmarried, the other is to abstain from sex. It would appear that these trainee parsons chose the first definition.
l'escargot
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The other factor is inheritance, it is no good the church accumulating wealth and land if priests were then to hand it down to their children (or leave it to their wives).
aitchw
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But they didn't know at the time she was female. Pope Joan is the one down in Avignon when there were two Popes. She only got found out because she became pregnant!
Nickel
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Confused logic, /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
In the first place, the concept of Church wealth and lands, is a myth in this country - since Henry VIII anyway!
And then Church wealth, such as it is[!] doesn't belong to the priests.
In the first place, the concept of Church wealth and lands, is a myth in this country - since Henry VIII anyway!
And then Church wealth, such as it is[!] doesn't belong to the priests.
BrendanS
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Church wealth and lands is still very much in evidence, and they are also huge holders of stocks.
The idea of celibacy goes against biological urges, hence possibly the huge number of documented paedophilic attacks by clergy?
The idea of celibacy goes against biological urges, hence possibly the huge number of documented paedophilic attacks by clergy?
Nickel
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The Church of England maybe - and even there, after the Church Commissioners rather disastrous administration of investments, even their wealth has taken a big dent.
The Catholic Church in this country, will as any responsible body, try and maintain sufficient reserves to cover emergencies, but it does not have the financial reserves to do more than that - hence my comment about wealth and land being somewhat of a myth.
As for celibacy - of course it goes against biological urges, but I would dispute that that makes priests into paedophiles - it is rather, unfortunately, that paedophiles will always be attracted into professions where they can have trusted contact with children, like scout masters, orphanage carers, swimming coaches, other religious ministries where celibacy is not an issue etc, etc, etc.
The Catholic Church in this country, will as any responsible body, try and maintain sufficient reserves to cover emergencies, but it does not have the financial reserves to do more than that - hence my comment about wealth and land being somewhat of a myth.
As for celibacy - of course it goes against biological urges, but I would dispute that that makes priests into paedophiles - it is rather, unfortunately, that paedophiles will always be attracted into professions where they can have trusted contact with children, like scout masters, orphanage carers, swimming coaches, other religious ministries where celibacy is not an issue etc, etc, etc.