Sorry Julie!!!!!

[studgies]

Sorry for getting your day off on Friday cancelled! Looks like the nice men at sealine have got some new props so the sea trial is now on for Friday PM!!

Matt we promise to try not to ram Diana II but if we do it will be Julie's fault as she is in charge and she is a professional skippery type! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[powerskipper]

Thats OK, at least it not till afternoon, so get a lie in. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[tcm]

Re: oi!!

Hm, well, i think i mite get the boat out, spin around a lot, top up the tanks, and spin around some more, with complicated sound signals involving overtaking you on the port side, in reverse, on the stroke of 3pm which will involve bellringing too.

Anyways, i'm a professional skipper too. There again, all the crappy house decorators i've hired are professional too so er, never mind...

 

[powerskipper]

Re: oi!!

Mat do you trust me at the helm near your boat /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif


PS Sealine looking for another skipper, but only have Little ones compared to Diana II

 

[studgies]

Re: oi!!

Does size matter then Julie?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[powerskipper]

Re: oi!!

Well big things move slowly . little one can zip around more!!!!!

 

[studgies]

Re: oi!!

I am going no further

 

[powerskipper]

Re: oi!!

Not want to talk boats then.............................. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[studgies]

Re: oi!!

Well, yeh but some people just take things down the drain hehe

present company excepted of course /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif)

 

[tcm]

ah, i\'m disqualified

unfortunately, i am not very well practised at driving at planing speeds between two or more sailing yachjts on immediate approach to the Hamble from Southampton water, which is definitely a requirement for Sealine skippers...

 

[pissativlypossed]

[ QUOTE ]
Sorry for getting your day off on Friday cancelled! Looks like the nice men at sealine have got some new props so the sea trial is now on for Friday PM!!
[Matt we promise to try not to ram Diana II but if we do it will be Julie's fault as she is in charge and she is a professional skippery type! ]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif/quote]
Serious point here, is that really the case?
I understood that even if you had a yacht master instructor on your boat giving instruction, it was actually the skippers legal responsibility for his boat. Therefore the instructor was not liable. Can anyone clarify please?

 

[studgies]

no idea! I was just haveing a jest but good point...hmm, does it matter that it is not my boat at the time though as it is only a sea trial??

 

[powerskipper]

I believe that on a demo, it my responsibility, once you paid for it, it yours.

 

[tcm]

definition of skipper

um boats aren';t like cars where the skipper is the one who is driving. I might not drive my boat much, but i'm the skipper all the time. If whoever is on the helm whams into a wall or up the beach, then it's my responsibility even if i'm in the bog at the time, or asleep.

In the case of a demo, the skipper in this case is powerskipper. She will likely hand over the helm to a prospective customer, but everything that hapens is her resposnsibility, not the punter's.

interesting case of a boat under instruction - especially if it's YOUR boat. Is that the question? If it's a school boat, the skipper is undoubtedly the instructor. On your own boat, under instruction i reckon the instructor simply must be the skipper too.

 

[mjf]

Re: definition of skipper

You are right about responsibility when it is clear who is the skipper is.

The owner will either be the skipper or delegates this to an employee etc.

In the case of ocean vessels the master is in command and fully responsible for crew, cargo and ship even when the vessel is under 'expert' pilotage (advice). It is not uncommon to over-rule the pilot.

When an RYA inst is doing a demo, the owner (manufacturer) / distributor delegates command to the RYA inst. No?

 

[tcm]

Re: definition of skipper

absolutely. instead of thinking of it as a recreational craft, thinking of the thing as a monster ship is precisely the right way to think of this. Powerskipper (or whoever Sealines hires) is the the skipper, until a new owner buys the thing and skippers themselves or hires another skipper.

 

[D3B]

Re: definition of skipper

So my new boat is handed over next week 14th.

on 22 April i am making a passage from Torksey to Hull (tidal Trent and Humber) and am paying an RYA instructor to accompany me as it is not a very nice journey and he has the benefit of local knowledge.

who is the "skipper" on this journey? and therefore the responsible person.

Doug

 

[tcm]

Re: deciding the skipper

easy way of deciding is - if you decide you don't want to do the trip, do you pack up get off and he stays on and takes the boat - or does the boat stay as well? I bet the boat stays.
And, if he can't make it but two mates can make it at short notice - do you go? I bet you do.
Unless you hire "a skipper" - you're the skipper. You should make this very clear either way, befoere they arrive.

Nonetheless, of course, you'll have a really really experienced crewmember on board, and not heeding their advice might be risky. They'll almost certainly err on the side of caution anyway.

 

[mjf]

Re: deciding the skipper

Yes, and if you, the owner, is not O/B - or in command then what about insurance ?

 

[Its_Only_Money]

Re: deciding the skipper

They still court-martialled the skipper of HMS Notts didn't they - even though he was in the helo when the OOW and navigator ran her up that rock.

Don't think you can escape skipper's responsibility - even if you are not on board but someone else is using you boat with your permission, let alone in the head or wherever onboard.
Basically everything that happens is because:

1. You decided as skipper to make it happen
2. You as skipper didn't prevent it from happening

Can't see a 3rd way /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif