SOLTRON/STARTRON lost licience

[Doffy]

Soltron sold in UK has no relation to StarTron sold in USA. Starbrite acquired the rights to market and manufacture Soltron in the USA. It is available at most marine and some auto stores like Advanced Auto and Soltron is available at NAPA.

UK Soltron lost their license to get Soltron formula and selling something they made but no one is sure what it is.

Star brite is the largest marine chemical supplier world wide.

IS THIS TRUE ???? This is from Peter@starbrite.com

 

[hlb]

[oh really!] all there!

 

[rich]

If i can get piccees to work, i will put up a pic of the bulk container that soltron comes in , From JAPAN, It is Not made in Europe.

 

[DepSol]

You mean this........

and this

 

[DERF]

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UK Soltron lost their license to get Soltron formula and selling something they made but no one is sure what it is.


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I have tried in vain to get answers from Depsol, but have been spectacularly unsuccessful..... was even suggested, that I may be working as an agent for Starbrite, hence would not give out information.!!

 

[DepSol]

Well all I got was a pm saying send the information to my email.

No offer of a phone number or anything so I am bound to be suspicious. No real confirmation as to what you wanted the information for or assurance that it would remain confidential.

As explained to you some information I gave out recently was used, verbatim, in an advert, so if I do not know who I am dealing with I do not send out the info. Simple really.

 

[DepSol]

i think the above photos confirms where we get ours from. Plus the link from the Japanese supplier to our website also confirms we are doing business with them.

What do you want a copy of an invoice?

 

[DERF]

Dom,

That is utter nonsense.

You have my mobile number and indeed have called and spoken to me in the past, so why pretend otherwise? You also have my email address.

I did not just say send me the information so again this is misleading.

As for the photos all they prove is that you have a photo of two plastic containers.

You have posted many times on this forum about the "scientific data" you hold, of which you have said, other forumites have seen first hand or by email.

I requested this information, gave you my email address, (you already had my phone number) but all you have done is dance around the issue as usual, culminating with... you could be an agent for Starbrite!!

An invoice is NOT scientifc data is it?????

I think I will draw my own conclusions from your dance of illusion over this issue.

 

[trev]

All I'm really interested in is which one is the best.
I used the UK available Soltron for a couple of years and still had filter blockage after a choppy channel crossing - is the Starbite stuff better?

 

[BlueChip]

This from http://www.x-tra.bz/indexuk.html the French Soltron distributor who also claims to be the exclusive European distributor

It seems that genuine Soltron in Europe is known as xbee

This site claims - SoltronTM which was originally developed by Dr Shinji Makino in Japan was not registered as a trademark in Europe when it was launched on the market.

Certain parties took advantage of that to register the trademark and distribute another product under that name. So X-tra, Export Trade. changed the enzyme's name to Xbee® for the European market.
The SoltronTM distributed in the United States (Solpower Corp. & GTR Inc.) and the Xbee® distributed in Europe and India are therefore one and the same product, which customers must above all avoid confusing with the "Soltron" marketed in Europe.

If you have any doubt about the origin of the enzyme you are offered, you should not hesitate to contact us or our American partners: info@solpower.com or emolina@soltron-gtr.com.


How to contact us:

 

[DepSol]

I had your number ages ago, I must have been through 3 phones since then. I spoke to you what twice. Its your persistance that leads me to suspicion. Also your constant antagonism of any information I give.

The original debate by Doffy was ...."UK Soltron lost their license to get Soltron formula and selling something they made but no one is sure what it is." By having a link to soltron Japans web site and by showing the above pics shows that we get Soltron from Japan. The Yanks must make their own but we get our SOLTRON from Soltron in Japan.

Derf if you dont think it works or dont want to use it then fine I am not forcing you to do so. If you feel that star tron is much better then buy it, lifes is about choices so make one.

I have proven my case enough on here and recently I challenged Starbrite to come back with answers to my questions I posed on here but no reply as yet. Why dont you hunt them down? Or is it to easy to just keep having a poke at me because I do make replies.

This is turning into another boring thread persisting on about something that is not public inforamtion otherwise it would be on our web site.

A question was posed by Doffy and I have now answered it.

 

[KevB]

I have emailed a link to this thread to info@solpower.com and asked them to comment and help clear up any confusion.

 

[rich]

Do you expect them to tell the truth?

 

[KevB]

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Do you expect them to tell the truth?

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I would hope so, corporate image and all that. Wouldn't be good for them to be found out lying would it.

This has been an on going debate for ages, I'm wondering why ybw haven't done a comparison test. Worry of loosing advertising I guess?

 

[wakeup]

I am staying out of this all together.......

DOHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Planty]

To be honest I am sick to death of this constant bickering, so I have been doing a bit of independent research:

Firstly have searched, Japanese, US & European Patent Offices and can find no reference as yet to any enzyme fuel additive that looks anything like "Soltron / Xbee / Starsol"?? Has anyone got a patent number that we can all go and have a look at.

Secondly, Dr Shinji Mikano?? is this Shinji Makino, D.V.M., Ph.D.?

if so this from his website:

"We study molecular biology and host cell-virus interactions of two different RNA viruses: coronavirus and hepatitis C virus (HCV). ??? From an American University ??

No mention of fuel enzymes. Anway I've sent him an e mail asking, will report on any replies. His site:

Shhinji Makino

All sounds like a complete hoax to me in the absence of anything tangible to work around. Paul

 

[duncan]

more a [oh really!]'s muddle than a hoax I think Planty.

I would only expect to find 1 patent (in Japan) but a whole load of trademarks as the confusion etc would appear to be about marketing rights and brand association rather than anything else although I am not discounting the existence of more than one product in the various bottles. Personally I have had one of the products, from more than one source but ultimately the same distributor, and it did what I was told it would when I started (needed) using it. Subsequently I have not had any evidence that it is not continuing to do this; but accept that it might not have be required to do anything recently either!

Somewhat ironic that the efforts of one distributor (with whatever product but one byline) have probably created the local market such that others are now taking a serious interest.
I wounder if we are going to have a price war instead of a war of words!!!!

 

[Planty]

I would totally agree and have before now believed "it does exactly what it asys on the tin" but see my other post about its origins and one can see that there is some jiggerypokery going on somewhere. Whether its in the licencing, patent or actual effectiveness I aint got a clue. Only one I feel sorry for is Dom, 'cos either he's been duped, created a market or being shafted, don't know which but bloody bad news for sure. Paul

 

[DepSol]

Try searching on trademarks for Soltron, Startron and X-bee

 

[DERF]

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I had your number ages ago, I must have been through 3 phones since then.

[/ QUOTE ] I only gave you my phone number on 19/1/05! since then you've been through 3 phones!! Wonder how your business associates keep in touch with you.

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Its your persistance that leads me to suspicion.

[/ QUOTE ] My persistence consists of 4 PM because you never responded to the first three!

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Derf if you dont think it works or dont want to use it then fine I am not forcing you to do so. If you feel that star tron is much better then buy it, lifes is about choices so make one.


[/ QUOTE ] This is the standard lame response you give. I didn't enquire if it worked, nor did I say I didn't want to use it..quite the contrary! I wanted to use it and support you. I enquired about the scientific data that YOU posted saying others on the forum had seen it, either face to face or by email.

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This is turning into another boring thread persisting on about something that is not public inforamtion otherwise it would be on our web site.

[/ QUOTE ] Another of your lame responses. You told me you had responded three times to my request then given up. Then your story changed to " you could be an agent" so I can't send it..

Perhpas if you didn't change your story quite so frequently and just replied to my original PM this wouldn't have turned to a boring thread!

What's peculiar Dom, is that you think everyone who asks you about Soltron is out to get you or catch you out. You are the distributor of this product if you don't want to field questions about it, stop pedalling it and do something else. and as to your advice... I will make a choice.... not to use your product.