Sixpence
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Well we may not be the most expensive country to buy from but if the source is right , we are not far off it . So is there an alternative ? . Has anyone thought of home brew petrol ?
So what is the alternative
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ccscott49
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Three countries in the EU higher than us, but all the rest lower, some much lower, where's the tax harmonisation in that?? Rip off Britain again eh?
Home brew petrol is difficult, however you can make ethanol fairly easily, all you need is something to ferment then a still, but I think HM government would have something to say about a still.
With the amount of oil we produce, fuel should be much cheaper, but good old gordie and all the other governments we have had just tax the hell out of it.
Home brew petrol is difficult, however you can make ethanol fairly easily, all you need is something to ferment then a still, but I think HM government would have something to say about a still.
With the amount of oil we produce, fuel should be much cheaper, but good old gordie and all the other governments we have had just tax the hell out of it.
GrowingLad
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What really gets my goat is the fact that although the petrol goes up when the price per barrel is high, it never comes down again when the price per barrel drops........we're caught by the short and curlies really....I'm in Greece so it's not too bad....but it's all relative, my Greek Salary is nowhere near what I used to make in the UK.
Sneds
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Ah, but think of the weather you get!
Agree with CCSCOTT49! I thought rates of duty and tax were supposed to be haromised now?
Typical rip-off Britain!
Consider this if you will, if it were posisble to drive over a border for a few miles and buy peterol at 1/'2 price, I wonder how Gordie & co would react?
Agree with CCSCOTT49! I thought rates of duty and tax were supposed to be haromised now?
Typical rip-off Britain!
Consider this if you will, if it were posisble to drive over a border for a few miles and buy peterol at 1/'2 price, I wonder how Gordie & co would react?
PowerYachtBlog
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i think that chart is not so correct
Italy has more expensive fuel prices with 1.15 EURO per litre for Diesel and petrol being 1.30 average
to my knowledge Spain is cheaper
Italy has more expensive fuel prices with 1.15 EURO per litre for Diesel and petrol being 1.30 average
to my knowledge Spain is cheaper
MaltaBob
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Where's Malta? Purley academic as its smaller than the IOW, but I believe the Diesel prices are possibly the lowest in Europe? That is until the govt. privitise the utilities and energy providers.
Rowing boat seems to be the favorite alternative - ooh !! /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Rowing boat seems to be the favorite alternative - ooh !! /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
PowerYachtBlog
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jbridges
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The prices quoted must be "list" prices. If I compare the prices listed by AARoadwatch and what I actually paid in Belgium for the same period, I see I paid a full 10 eurocents per litre less. If I were to shop around I could probable get it a little cheaper still. 3 fills in June cost 0.98 Euros per litre.
How do the listed prices compare to the actual price in other countries?
How do the listed prices compare to the actual price in other countries?
PowerYachtBlog
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at 42 Malta cents per litre we are in lower EU range but not the lowest
0.42 = 97 EU cent
same price as in Greece....
in Italy you do find competition in some harbours especially if it happens there is 2 Fuel stations...
0.42 = 97 EU cent
same price as in Greece....
in Italy you do find competition in some harbours especially if it happens there is 2 Fuel stations...
nordic_ranger
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Three countries in the EU higher than us,
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Norway is not in the EU., but I agree with what you say about tax harmonisation.
Three countries in the EU higher than us,
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Norway is not in the EU., but I agree with what you say about tax harmonisation.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yes, thats more like it but what jumps out from that chart is the price of UK road diesel which is the most expensive in Europe (apart from Slovenia but I bet thats a typo - more likely €0.98/l). Virtually every other country charges a lower duty rate for diesel than petrol. Taken together with the high duty on petrol I reckon that makes the UK the country with the highest overall fuel duty in Europe. Thanks, Gordon
jhr
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Agree with CCSCOTT49! I thought rates of duty and tax were supposed to be harmonised now?
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I'm not an expert on this but I think the deal is that the "harmonisation" consists of a minimum level of duty that must be charged by all member states, but that each state is free to charge as much more than this as they see fit. Which is no doubt why UK marine diesel will be £1.15 per litre after the end of derogation, rather than 70p /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Agree with CCSCOTT49! I thought rates of duty and tax were supposed to be harmonised now?
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I'm not an expert on this but I think the deal is that the "harmonisation" consists of a minimum level of duty that must be charged by all member states, but that each state is free to charge as much more than this as they see fit. Which is no doubt why UK marine diesel will be £1.15 per litre after the end of derogation, rather than 70p /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Coupe
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There was a time when cars from Ireland would cross the border into N Ireland to purchase fuel to the extent that many petrol stations along the border from Donegal to Louth shut up shop.
It's the other way round now.
However, we charge a lot more for other day to day items like Fish and Irish Beef than the UK /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
It's the other way round now.
However, we charge a lot more for other day to day items like Fish and Irish Beef than the UK /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Divemaster1
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Without reading all of this thread, what I have seen is tha the charts are referring to Road Prices.
Over the last 21 days Marine Diesel across Norway have been averaging NOK 6.90/L (£0.59) which means $4.55/USG, which is not too far off current UK prices for Marine Diesel.
Over the last 21 days Marine Diesel across Norway have been averaging NOK 6.90/L (£0.59) which means $4.55/USG, which is not too far off current UK prices for Marine Diesel.
Sixpence
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Home brew petrol is difficult, however you can make ethanol fairly easily, all you need is something to ferment then a still, but I think HM government would have something to say about a still.
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I hadn't intended this to be yet another debate on prices it was more on the line of alternatives , so is it illegal to own a still and produce fuel for own use ? and how is it done ?
My Birchie has an old petrol engine so I'm not expecting perfect results , but it would be nice to fill up with home brew /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Home brew petrol is difficult, however you can make ethanol fairly easily, all you need is something to ferment then a still, but I think HM government would have something to say about a still.
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I hadn't intended this to be yet another debate on prices it was more on the line of alternatives , so is it illegal to own a still and produce fuel for own use ? and how is it done ?
My Birchie has an old petrol engine so I'm not expecting perfect results , but it would be nice to fill up with home brew /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
ccscott49
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I know Norway is not in the EU, I made a mistake, OK??
ccscott49
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Same as making wine, beer whisky etc.
Any organic material with sugar in it, sugar beet/grain/corn etc. would be ideal, (mushed up into a pulp) add yeast to make it ferment, dissolve in water and allow to ferment for a week or two, to produce the alcohol, then we need to boil it and condense the steam (a still) but the temperature has to be right, to boil off the alcohol but not the water, do that three or four times, until you end up with pure alcohol. (ethanol) That's the problem, it's illegal to make alcohol with a still, you have to pay duty on alcohol. Just like the whisky makers.
Can't remember the recipe or temperature at the moment, but used to make lots when in a certain arabic country with lots of oil!
But that is basically what you do to make alcohol to run a car.
As to other comments, The price of oil has not fallen significantly for some time, remember for every ten pence al iter rise in petrol prices, the oil company has only raised it 4 pence, the government adds the other 6 pence.
Also oil has risen from 12 US a barrel to 74 US a barrel, has petrol risen the same percentage?? No it hasnt. Dont blame the oil companies even if there profits are obscene, blame the government, their taxes are also obscene!
Any organic material with sugar in it, sugar beet/grain/corn etc. would be ideal, (mushed up into a pulp) add yeast to make it ferment, dissolve in water and allow to ferment for a week or two, to produce the alcohol, then we need to boil it and condense the steam (a still) but the temperature has to be right, to boil off the alcohol but not the water, do that three or four times, until you end up with pure alcohol. (ethanol) That's the problem, it's illegal to make alcohol with a still, you have to pay duty on alcohol. Just like the whisky makers.
Can't remember the recipe or temperature at the moment, but used to make lots when in a certain arabic country with lots of oil!
But that is basically what you do to make alcohol to run a car.
As to other comments, The price of oil has not fallen significantly for some time, remember for every ten pence al iter rise in petrol prices, the oil company has only raised it 4 pence, the government adds the other 6 pence.
Also oil has risen from 12 US a barrel to 74 US a barrel, has petrol risen the same percentage?? No it hasnt. Dont blame the oil companies even if there profits are obscene, blame the government, their taxes are also obscene!
Sixpence
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Let me know if you remember the details please , I live in a three acre orchard and wouldn't mind having a go at that , they go to waste otherwise
ccscott49
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Apples/fruit are ideal! (think cider, wine, etc.) I'll look up in some of my old notes, we used to have a pamphlet given to all new arrivals called "the blue flame", which was how you tested the alcohol, if it ignited and burnt with a bright blue flame, you knew it was good!
But a good book on home brewing would show/tell you how to ferment the stuff and advise on the types of yeats etc.
However building a still is a little more demanding and needs to be made out of stainless or copper and get it wrong and boom!!!
Remember distilling alcohol is highly illegal. Even in this country. Although no doubt there must be a book/internet on the subject.
But I cannot warn you enough, it's highly inflamable stuff you are dealing with.
I built my still out of stainless with a copper condensing coil, kettle element, so no naked flames and a accurate thermometer, built into it. worked a treat. Three runs through that and it was pure!! Then you could turn it into Gin, Whisky (matured with burnt oak chips) or whatever with flavourings and dilute with water.
Or you could forget the distilling stage and just make cider, get shitfaced in your orchard on a nice comfy lounger and forget all about the high cost of fuel!! I'll join you, just offshore from you anyway!
But a good book on home brewing would show/tell you how to ferment the stuff and advise on the types of yeats etc.
However building a still is a little more demanding and needs to be made out of stainless or copper and get it wrong and boom!!!
Remember distilling alcohol is highly illegal. Even in this country. Although no doubt there must be a book/internet on the subject.
But I cannot warn you enough, it's highly inflamable stuff you are dealing with.
I built my still out of stainless with a copper condensing coil, kettle element, so no naked flames and a accurate thermometer, built into it. worked a treat. Three runs through that and it was pure!! Then you could turn it into Gin, Whisky (matured with burnt oak chips) or whatever with flavourings and dilute with water.
Or you could forget the distilling stage and just make cider, get shitfaced in your orchard on a nice comfy lounger and forget all about the high cost of fuel!! I'll join you, just offshore from you anyway!
Haven't-a-Clue
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If I remember right, boiling point of ethanol is 87 degrees c.
