Skipper/Crew needed – Chichester to Israel on May 2017

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Hello,
I'm 64, recently retired, live in Israel. About a month ago purchased "Living Dreams", a Prout 37 2002 catamaran moving to Chichester Marina on March 28th for refitting and provisions which hopfuly will last not more than a month.
After that, heading to Israel.
The thing is that although I have Skipper certificate, my experience is ZERO and due to miscalculation I'm going to find myself at the beginning of May with beautiful boat ready to take any task but without enough money for hiring a Captain for a delivery.
The gentleman I hired to do the survey suggested me to post on this forum in order to
try to find an accredited Skipper, he or she, who will be ready to take the task - not on commercial basis as delivery captains normally charge, but rather for modest fee.
As navigating short handed ( the Skipper and me as his crew), known to be a tough job, if there is a person - he or she, who has some experience in sailing and interested in joining the journey as a crew member, I'll be more than happy to meet him/her after my arrival to England on 29th.
Alon
 
Alon52 said:
Hello,
I'm 64, recently retired, live in Israel. About a month ago purchased "Living Dreams", a Prout 37 2002 catamaran moving to Chichester Marina on March 28th for refitting and provisions which hopfuly will last not more than a month.
After that, heading to Israel.
The thing is that although I have Skipper certificate, my experience is ZERO and due to miscalculation I'm going to find myself at the beginning of May with beautiful boat ready to take any task but without enough money for hiring a Captain for a delivery.
The gentleman I hired to do the survey suggested me to post on this forum in order to
try to find an accredited Skipper, he or she, who will be ready to take the task - not on commercial basis as delivery captains normally charge, but rather for modest fee.
As navigating short handed ( the Skipper and me as his crew), known to be a tough job, if there is a person - he or she, who has some experience in sailing and interested in joining the journey as a crew member, I'll be more than happy to meet him/her after my arrival to England on 29th.
Alon
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So, is this an beginning of May trip?
PS, what "skipper certificate" comes with "zero" experience?
 
Yes. If every thing rolls as planed.
a. In Israel every thing is possible.
b. If you call 40 hours with others an experience, I guess I'll have to amend it to "next to zero".
The whole point is to gain enough experience during the trip in order to be entitled to be called Skipper at the end of it.
 
For a trip like that most skippers would want two experienced crew as well as yourself, it's a long way across some very challenging seas - I speak as a retired delivery skipper.
 
Hey Ed
Thanks for your response. Would you be kind to elaborate a bit about the most hazardous legs/events in planned trip ?
Best wishes, Alon
 
You are planning to sail nearly 3,000 miles. English channel, a busy shipping area, Bay of Biscay, which can have extreme weather, Straits of Gibraltar and the whole length of the Mediterranean.

I would allow at least six weeks, you will need to budget £2,000+ for crew and boat expenses - if you can afford to buy the boat, the cost of delivering it is nothing and should have been included in your calculations - spend £10k and get the job done right!
 
I guess you have to ask what someone's motivation would be for having the qualifications but doing the job for a cut price. Perhaps target freshly qualified young skippers from organisations such as UKSA who are still being supported by their parents and want to put a big delivery on their CV?

Out of curiosity, why buy in the UK when surely there must be loads of great boats available closer to home in the med?
 
laika said:
I guess you have to ask what someone's motivation would be for having the qualifications but doing the job for a cut price. Perhaps target freshly qualified young skippers from organisations such as UKSA who are still being supported by their parents and want to put a big delivery on their CV?

Out of curiosity, why buy in the UK when surely there must be loads of great boats available closer to home in the med?
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""freshly qualified young skippers from UKSA", wouldnt have the experience for a trip like this.
 
laika said:
Experience? No. Knowledge and ability? That's a different question. The OP is not talking about paying top dollar. What's you thought?
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There is a vast difference in skippering a boat + unknown crew on a voyage like this, to skippering a school boat when an instructor is on board. Even more experienced 'skippers' who haunt the Solent/South Coast, might find it daunting.
 
laika said:
Experience? No. Knowledge and ability? That's a different question. The OP is not talking about paying top dollar. What's you thought?
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I don't think he has thought it through, he boat a boat without any budget to get it home, now he is hoping someone will do it for free or cheap as a holiday. 3000nm in a prout will take forever.
 
alant said:
There is a vast difference in skippering a boat + unknown crew on a voyage like this, to skippering a school boat when an instructor is on board. Even more experienced 'skippers' who haunt the Solent/South Coast, might find it daunting.
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I believe something like uksa's rather pricey ocean graduate program is a bit different to a day skipper course, will have included sections without any instructors, and ultimately involves candidates being assessed by the RYA. I can think of more intimidating journeys than sailing to the eastern med in summer and one thing many of these youngsters don't lack is confidence. They're "qualified" to skipper such a trip. The training is supposed to give them the knowledge and ability to do such a trip. Gaining trust and respect of an owner who is 3 times their age and from another culture might be challenging but doubtless excellent experience.

I'd be more comfortable with a talented first jobber sailing my boat to Israel in summer than preparing all the paperwork for them to enter though...

I note that the practicality of taking a prout 37 through the canals has been discussed here before:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?254469-Would-a-Prout-37-Elite-fit-the-French-canals
 
laika said:
I believe something like uksa's rather pricey ocean graduate program is a bit different to a day skipper course, will have included sections without any instructors, and ultimately involves candidates being assessed by the RYA. I can think of more intimidating journeys than sailing to the eastern med in summer and one thing many of these youngsters don't lack is confidence. They're "qualified" to skipper such a trip. The training is supposed to give them the knowledge and ability to do such a trip. Gaining trust and respect of an owner who is 3 times their age and from another culture might be challenging but doubtless excellent experience.

I'd be more comfortable with a talented first jobber sailing my boat to Israel in summer than preparing all the paperwork for them to enter though...

I note that the practicality of taking a prout 37 through the canals has been discussed here before:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?254469-Would-a-Prout-37-Elite-fit-the-French-canals
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Ability doesn't mean capability & that trip for someone who has not done it, whose non instructor skippering experience is on a boat crewed by 5 other 'trainee skippers', is still daunting.
 
It was worthwhile starting this thread even if it only for the discussion evolved around the subject, and by saying that, I aim to good sailors who try to help me sort this out - even thouth not fully understand my moves/logic. On the other hand those who keep themselves busy by analyzing my character...well, they exist in any forum...
Although I appreciate a lot laica's efforts to assist me, I can't portray myself surrounded by 4-5 yelling kids which are one forth of my age... I rather jump to the water letting them sail where ever they want.
Dear forum members, on 10th of this May I'm heading to Israel, no matter what.
Wish me luck.
 
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