linifer
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Help! does anyone know what i should use to stick side linings to my fibreglass hull? i have heard that some contact adhesives can cause problems. any ideas?
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Joe_Cole
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You need a "High temperature" contact adhesive. Most of the suppliers of sidelinings can help. If you have any problems I got mine from "Boyriven" whp are in Andover (I think). Google will get you more info on them.
FWIW I used liquid adhesive on the fibreglass, and aerosols on the fabric. This made it much easier to apply.
FWIW I used liquid adhesive on the fibreglass, and aerosols on the fabric. This made it much easier to apply.
VicS
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The suppliers of the lining should be about to supply suitable adhesives.
I and others on the forum have had good service from Hawke House Marine in Fareham. A google search will find their web site.
I had a useful "hints" leaflet from them when I bought all my materials about 5 or 6 years ago.
Usually impact adhesive applied to the grp and a spray on the back of the lining. The thixotropic adhesive is marginally easier to use than the liquid IMHO.
Ventilate well and wear an "organic vapours" mask (avilable from H.H.), as the solvent (methylbenzene, aka toluene) is extremely dangerous to inhale.
I and others on the forum have had good service from Hawke House Marine in Fareham. A google search will find their web site.
I had a useful "hints" leaflet from them when I bought all my materials about 5 or 6 years ago.
Usually impact adhesive applied to the grp and a spray on the back of the lining. The thixotropic adhesive is marginally easier to use than the liquid IMHO.
Ventilate well and wear an "organic vapours" mask (avilable from H.H.), as the solvent (methylbenzene, aka toluene) is extremely dangerous to inhale.
boatmike
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If it's foam backed vinyl there are two alternatives. Contact adhesives (which tend to let go after a number of years especially in hot climates), or PVC wood adhesive which doesn't. Unfortunately the latter wont self tack and hold the lining in place while it dries so the usual trick is to cut a piece of very light (1/8"tops) ply to the shape required and stick the lining to that with the lining flat down on the board and applied with a roller. When dry turn the board over and staple the edges to the back of the board which can then be screwed on covering the heads with buttons or hung up with Velcro. takes out any irregularity of the hull sides and does a very nice job.
Joe_Cole
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Ventilate well and wear an "organic vapours" mask (avilable from H.H.), as the solvent (methylbenzene, aka toluene) is extremely dangerous to inhale.
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I'ld second that. I used a mask, but at one point I forgot to put it on.
I quickly learnt why glue sniffing caught on! In the confines of my forepeak it was very quick to take effect.
Ventilate well and wear an "organic vapours" mask (avilable from H.H.), as the solvent (methylbenzene, aka toluene) is extremely dangerous to inhale.
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I'ld second that. I used a mask, but at one point I forgot to put it on.
I quickly learnt why glue sniffing caught on! In the confines of my forepeak it was very quick to take effect.
boatmike
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Yes I know! I had a fitter working with the stuff once who got so high he walked off the boat the wrong side and fell in the water...... Sobered him up pretty quickly as it was January..... By the way I have yet to find a simple mask that works. Far better to have a good supply of fresh air or a proper respirator. Golden rule.. Don't go down into confined spaces while alone on the boat when using it. severe toluene poisoning can render you unconcious and you will have the mother of all headaches when you come around.
Joe_Cole
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I used an organic gas filter on a mask which I got from an agricultural supplier which was OK. It looked a bit like a wartime gas mask.
I put it away when the work was done and put it on a year later when I was doing another job. The filters stank of adhesive after all that time........I bought new filters!
I put it away when the work was done and put it on a year later when I was doing another job. The filters stank of adhesive after all that time........I bought new filters!
VicS
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The "organic vapours mask I used was a 3M 4251 and was supplied by Hawke House Marine.
There are limits to what it will handle. From the instructions on the box:
"The 4251 is suitable for applications where the organic vapour concentration is below 10 X OEL or 1000 ppm which ever is lower and where the particulate concentration does not exceed 4 X OEL. It should only be used where the organic vapours have boiling points greater than 65C and have good warning properties i.e. smell or taste."
So it is not a substitute for good ventilation but provided the above conditions are met you cannot even smell the toluene while working. I don't know off hand what the OEL for toluene is but since I don't now have access to equipment for measuring the concentration it's a bit academic. Some additional local aid to ventilation, eg a domestic fan, is necessary when working in the quarter berths or the fore peak
Obviously if the conditions cannot be met for some reason a positive pressure respirator would be necessary.
There are limits to what it will handle. From the instructions on the box:
"The 4251 is suitable for applications where the organic vapour concentration is below 10 X OEL or 1000 ppm which ever is lower and where the particulate concentration does not exceed 4 X OEL. It should only be used where the organic vapours have boiling points greater than 65C and have good warning properties i.e. smell or taste."
So it is not a substitute for good ventilation but provided the above conditions are met you cannot even smell the toluene while working. I don't know off hand what the OEL for toluene is but since I don't now have access to equipment for measuring the concentration it's a bit academic. Some additional local aid to ventilation, eg a domestic fan, is necessary when working in the quarter berths or the fore peak
Obviously if the conditions cannot be met for some reason a positive pressure respirator would be necessary.
Joe_Cole
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. Some additional local aid to ventilation, eg a domestic fan, is necessary when working in the quarter berths or the fore peak
Obviously if the conditions cannot be met for some reason a positive pressure respirator would be necessary.
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Be careful with a domestic fan. If there is any chance of it igniting the fumes then don't do it. I've seen the effect of glue fumes igniting and it really is like a bomb going off. It would easily blow a boat up!
. Some additional local aid to ventilation, eg a domestic fan, is necessary when working in the quarter berths or the fore peak
Obviously if the conditions cannot be met for some reason a positive pressure respirator would be necessary.
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Be careful with a domestic fan. If there is any chance of it igniting the fumes then don't do it. I've seen the effect of glue fumes igniting and it really is like a bomb going off. It would easily blow a boat up!
Jcorstorphine
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WORDS OF CAUTION REGARDING CONTACT ADHESIVES
/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gifI must add my own words of caution to anyone contemplating using contact adhesives which contain Toluene. I spent a very miserable month in hospital and a total of four months off work with chronic jaundice caused by exposing myself to the fumes from a contact adhesive called Thisxofix which was available back in 1982.
Words just cannot describe the trauma of being convinced that you are going to die because of your own stupidity. You have lost two stone in little over a week. The whites of your eyes have turned a greeny yellow colour. Your skin which has turned a yeallowish grey colour and itches 24 hous a day due to all of the bile being secreted that you scratch so much that the sheets of the bed are covered in blood in the morning. The only relieve from the itching is to get into a boiling hot bath laced with Sodium Carbonate. The bath has to be so hot that you are on the verge of scalding yourself to get relief from the itching. Trying to eat, tires you out so much that you have to rest even after the smallest of meals. Everything you try to eat tastes foul and worst of all, it is about three years before you can even take a small glass of wine.
Be warned, use the correct type of mask, it must be for organic solvents, a dust mask is worse than useless.
/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gifI must add my own words of caution to anyone contemplating using contact adhesives which contain Toluene. I spent a very miserable month in hospital and a total of four months off work with chronic jaundice caused by exposing myself to the fumes from a contact adhesive called Thisxofix which was available back in 1982.
Words just cannot describe the trauma of being convinced that you are going to die because of your own stupidity. You have lost two stone in little over a week. The whites of your eyes have turned a greeny yellow colour. Your skin which has turned a yeallowish grey colour and itches 24 hous a day due to all of the bile being secreted that you scratch so much that the sheets of the bed are covered in blood in the morning. The only relieve from the itching is to get into a boiling hot bath laced with Sodium Carbonate. The bath has to be so hot that you are on the verge of scalding yourself to get relief from the itching. Trying to eat, tires you out so much that you have to rest even after the smallest of meals. Everything you try to eat tastes foul and worst of all, it is about three years before you can even take a small glass of wine.
Be warned, use the correct type of mask, it must be for organic solvents, a dust mask is worse than useless.
