Ship Happens 2

[ianc1200]

There was a previous thread but it seems now closed. Anybody watching this still? Came to it via "Saving Blue Steel", another YT channel (about restoring a large steel motorcruiser). Watched some episodes of Ship Happens last night, itrigued to see their method of replacing steamed timbers (ribs) with laminated glued iroko, very similar to what we have been doing, but then a episode or two on replacing the internal planks of the double diagonal planking, something which would fill me with horror.

 

[jstarmarine]

There was a previous thread but it seems now closed. Anybody watching this still? Came to it via "Saving Blue Steel", another YT channel (about restoring a large steel motorcruiser). Watched some episodes of Ship Happens last night, itrigued to see their method of replacing steamed timbers (ribs) with laminated glued iroko, very similar to what we have been doing, but then a episode or two on replacing the internal planks of the double diagonal planking, something which would fill me with horror.

Hi ianc1200,
Being a boatbuilder for many years as you know, They way they are doing such short plank ends goes against best practice. the lengths of planking should be at least three times as long to make it strong enough. I can see that in a good blow at sea the whole lot coming to bits and peeling back like a sardine can. I could be wrong?

 

[PCUK]

 

[ianc1200]

Hi ianc1200,
Being a boatbuilder for many years as you know, They way they are doing such short plank ends goes against best practice. the lengths of planking should be at least three times as long to make it strong enough. I can see that in a good blow at sea the whole lot coming to bits and peeling back like a sardine can. I could be wrong?

Hi Simon

Is this the case with double diagonal - I'm sure it is with carvel, but can't think whether that applies to DD too. Noted they were glueing together inner & outer, wheras the original had calico between the two layers.

 

[jstarmarine]

Hi Simon

Is this the case with double diagonal - I'm sure it is with carvel, but can't think whether that applies to DD too. Noted they were glueing together inner & outer, wheras the original had calico between the two layers.

When doing DD in the past you have to cut as long as you need to keep the structural strength not short pieces. You also need to put the calico back in place to keep the watertightness.

 

[Wansworth]

Hi ianc1200,
Being a boatbuilder for many years as you know, They way they are doing such short plank ends goes against best practice. the lengths of planking should be at least three times as long to make it strong enough. I can see that in a good blow at sea the whole lot coming to bits and peeling back like a sardine can. I could be wrong?

Best practice has stood the test of time

 

[jstarmarine]

Best practice has stood the test of time

These have a go boat restorers are giving us real boat builders a hard time as they think it is easy to repair boats. The only problem is they are a lot of YouTubers think they can do what we did our apprenticeship after 5years and a life time of experience.

 

[Wansworth]

These have a go boat restorers are giving us real boat builders a hard time as they think it is easy to repair boats. The only problem is they are a lot of YouTubers think they can do what we did our apprenticeship after 5years and a life time of experience.

Yes years of hard earned knowledge and skills stretching back aeons,,,,,,,epoxy seems to be a manic potion that solves all,

 

[Wansworth]

Yes years of hard earned knowledge and skills stretching back aeons,,,,,,,epoxy seems to be a manic potion that solves all,

Magic

 

[jstarmarine]

Magic

The problem is so many people are sucked in by this wonder epoxy. Then a few years down the road it all fails and they scream for a boat builder to put right their mistakes and with a large bill because they did not listen to the people who know the problem and how to repair it properly

 

[Wansworth]

The problem is so many people are sucked in by this wonder epoxy. Then a few years down the road it all fails and they scream for a boat builder to put right their mistakes and with a large bill because they did not listen to the people who know the problem and how to repair it properly

I know I am risking a big telling off but a normal sensible approach would have been a survey ans possible guidance on work to be done.If when it’s ready it will need a survey to get insurance and be fit for sea in all its moods.

 

[Rappey]

I hope this is not going to be another thread telling them how everything they do is wrong. Surely now they also deserve some credit ?
At the beginning it looked a lost cause and everyone thought they were way out of their depth.
Some years on they have achieved a lot. They had many previous skills and are now turning them to rebuilding their boat.
Some may not like how they are doing it but i will ocassionally watch and wait for the day it moves under its own power

 

[Wansworth]

There is another restoration channel that started off abit rickety but now seems to have a plan ,that of Flying Coney a steel fishing boat with a chequered history,But they do seem to have a surveyor and work completed by a shipyard.When these fairly large craft are complete I imagine there will have to be an income to maintain them which if that includes chartering or some kind they will have to pass exhaustive scrutiny

 

[jstarmarine]

I know I am risking a big telling off but a normal sensible approach would have been a survey and possible guidance on work to be done. If when it’s ready it will need a survey to get insurance and be fit for sea in all its moods.

I know I am risking a big telling off but a normal sensible approach would have been a survey and possible guidance on work to be done. If when it’s ready it will need a survey to get insurance and be fit for sea in all its moods.

Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do the work, if like me you have worked on boas since I was 16 years old and now 64 year I have seen a lot of good and poorly done repairs and restorations over the years. However, it does not make for good YouTube videos as it would bore the hell out of people. They want to be entertained by these have ago merchants and pay them money to see them make mistake after mistake. Also the boat builders who say they are building boats and in fact are building someone else's kit boat and calling it boat building a six year kid could do just as well a job as these so called boat builders. We need to train more traditional boat builders before we lost the skill to build the boat or even be able to repair them in the future.

 

[Wansworth]

Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do the work, if like me you have worked on boas since I was 16 years old and now 64 year I have seen a lot of good and poorly done repairs and restorations over the years. However, it does not make for good YouTube videos as it would bore the hell out of people. They want to be entertained by these have ago merchants and pay them money to see them make mistake after mistake. Also the boat builders who say they are building boats and in fact are building someone else's kit boat and calling it boat building a six year kid could do just as well a job as these so called boat builders. We need to train more traditional boat builders before we lost the skill to build the boat or even be able to repair them in the future.

A very longtime ago back in 1969 I worked for Six months at David Hillyards as part of a sandwich course,typical diletante I am afraid but I did learn a few things .Anyway the yard actually had one young man who was an apprentice.With the demise of wooden boatbuilding many shipbuilders/boatbuilders could earn more I was told doing shuttering work on building sites or motorways.With GRP there was no call for masses of shipwrights/boatbuilders a few obviously gained employment. Building plugs etc and fitting out glassfibre barehulls did not call for the skills of the traditional boatbuilder more cabinatemaking.Having worked at a yard in the 1980s I saw how absolute beginners after a bit of training could fit out a weekend runabout and they didn’t demand the wages of a time server boatbuilder..I met bodgers who told me of there bodges that renownedbuilders paid them to dnlythe wealthy can afford a wooden boat so there is no call for tradesmen now in large numbers hence no apprenticeships I suppose.

The likes of the “Tally Ho” restorer shows there are still excellent craftsmen but not working in a structured apprenticeship way.Likemany trades related to boatbuilding and the sea it takes time to learn the skills and young people cannot live on thin air and employers cannot pay a “learner” a living wage the structure of society has changed …..hence we now have thousands of university trained people working in MacDonalds!.

 

[jstarmarine]

A very longtime ago back in 1969 I worked for Six months at David Hillyards as part of a sandwich course,typical diletante I am afraid but I did learn a few things .Anyway the yard actually had one young man who was an apprentice.With the demise of wooden boatbuilding many shipbuilders/boatbuilders could earn more I was told doing shuttering work on building sites or motorways.With GRP there was no call for masses of shipwrights/boatbuilders a few obviously gained employment. Building plugs etc and fitting out glassfibre barehulls did not call for the skills of the traditional boatbuilder more cabinatemaking.Having worked at a yard in the 1980s I saw how absolute beginners after a bit of training could fit out a weekend runabout and they didn’t demand the wages of a time server boatbuilder..I met bodgers who told me of there bodges that renownedbuilders paid them to dnlythe wealthy can afford a wooden boat so there is no call for tradesmen now in large numbers hence no apprenticeships I suppose.

The likes of the “Tally Ho” restorer shows there are still excellent craftsmen but not working in a structured apprenticeship way.Likemany trades related to boatbuilding and the sea it takes time to learn the skills and young people cannot live on thin air and employers cannot pay a “learner” a living wage the structure of society has changed …..hence we now have thousands of university trained people working in MacDonalds!.

 

[jstarmarine]

In the case of Tally Hoo, Port Townsend as a large number of Artisan's working together, It was there that Leo was able to employ people who were skilled craftsman and women to get Tally Hoo finished off, if he had not got Tally Hoo there he would very likely still be there doing Tally Hoo now. If you were to believe the press there are still pockets of skilled boatbuilders in the UK, however, they are in isolated areas of the country. However, areas such a Essex we are a area with a rich history of boat building but we are finding it difficult to recruit young people into the boat building sector.

 

[doug748]

Those short ends do raise eyebrows but the ship is not going to war anymore. I suspect it will be fine for the use it is likely to be put to. It got there floating under it's own steam and they are adding not taking away. The past refit work on the boat, by professionals, does not look impressive.

He is a very smart bloke, they make a good team, I suspect not one person in a million could work at their pace year on year. They have re-furbished about three other boats in parallel in their spare time. In it's way, just as remarkable as Tally Ho.

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[Tamar]

I have been watching these guys from the start, initially, along with others I was sceptical that they could make a dent in the thing, but after watching a few videos it become obvious to me that these two know what they are doing. They are multi skilled and they also they ran a successful campervan conversion company.
Having worked on DD boats in the distance past I know what a difficult undertaking it is
I think they are doing a great job.

 

[PCUK]

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