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Well Ellen didn't win,,she should have
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I voted for her!!!
Easy to jump on bandwagon and slate Beckham (gags about sports "personality") - but I think he's done good and I hope he represents his country well in 2002 and kicks some **s.
But I agree, 'twas a shame.
MRM
Easy to jump on bandwagon and slate Beckham (gags about sports "personality") - but I think he's done good and I hope he represents his country well in 2002 and kicks some **s.
But I agree, 'twas a shame.
MRM
rogerroger
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thing is - everyone can kick a ball around and so knows what skill it takes to excell like Beckham does; (and he does - footie bores the pants of me but he really is a world class player).
I don't think even the majority of us in this forum can appreciate what it's like to race around the world alone, with hardly any sleep and in the most hostile environments so how would non-sailors expect to?
I'm VERY glad she came second... but equally surprised.
Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk
I don't think even the majority of us in this forum can appreciate what it's like to race around the world alone, with hardly any sleep and in the most hostile environments so how would non-sailors expect to?
I'm VERY glad she came second... but equally surprised.
Roger Holden
www.first-magnitude.co.uk
chas
New member
Yes - but what about the English Rugby team - they did not figure at all!
JeremyF
New member
I am truly amazed that amongst the high-profile Owen and Beckham, Ellen even got on the radar. The question is whether she will do for British sailing what Sir Peter Blake has done for sailing in NZ, where, I read, sailing is up on a par with Rugby in terms of public interest.
If the vote was from peer group sports people, I could understand how she got the votes. What makes it all the greater achievement is that she featured in the public vote. The Times gives sailing a few column inches per week, and now we get 30 mins on CNN every 4 weeks. Maybe the media will now give sailing a little ore coverage.
If the vote was from peer group sports people, I could understand how she got the votes. What makes it all the greater achievement is that she featured in the public vote. The Times gives sailing a few column inches per week, and now we get 30 mins on CNN every 4 weeks. Maybe the media will now give sailing a little ore coverage.
billmacfarlane
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Why should they ? NM
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david_e
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Declaration
Nationality declaration required please Bill before we continue on this one!
Nationality declaration required please Bill before we continue on this one!
Twister_Ken
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Shame about Beckham\'s dress sense, too! nm
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AndrewB
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Would it have benefitted yachting generally...
... had she won? That seems to be what you imply, but I don't agree.
Would the publicity encourage more people to participate? It might, but I see little virtue in encouraging people with marginal interest in the sport 'having a go'. Ultimately the effect is simply to further overcrowd marinas and moorings with unused boats.
Is greater TV/media coverage beneficial? Yachting is essentially a participant, not a spectator sport. Perhaps media coverage encourages sponsorship, but that is of little relevance to the vast majority of us. Indeed, I fear greater TV interest could have a negative effect. Yachting is most effective as a TV spectacle when it involves high risk and near disaster. Greater TV/media attention would simply encourage greater risk-taking in freak-show races.
(No criticism of Ellen though who would have been a worthy winner).
... had she won? That seems to be what you imply, but I don't agree.
Would the publicity encourage more people to participate? It might, but I see little virtue in encouraging people with marginal interest in the sport 'having a go'. Ultimately the effect is simply to further overcrowd marinas and moorings with unused boats.
Is greater TV/media coverage beneficial? Yachting is essentially a participant, not a spectator sport. Perhaps media coverage encourages sponsorship, but that is of little relevance to the vast majority of us. Indeed, I fear greater TV interest could have a negative effect. Yachting is most effective as a TV spectacle when it involves high risk and near disaster. Greater TV/media attention would simply encourage greater risk-taking in freak-show races.
(No criticism of Ellen though who would have been a worthy winner).
JeremyF
New member
Re: Would it have benefitted yachting generally...
I believe that there is a world of difference between racing and cruising, and that racing is a spectator sport. I agree that many areas are already crowded, but more racing dingies arond wouldnt further clutter up the marinas etc.
I believe that there is a world of difference between racing and cruising, and that racing is a spectator sport. I agree that many areas are already crowded, but more racing dingies arond wouldnt further clutter up the marinas etc.
billmacfarlane
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Re: Declaration
Damn , I've been found out. Scottish.
Damn , I've been found out. Scottish.
claymore
Well-known member
Jessies to a man.
Whit aboot they Scots?
Whit aboot they Scots?
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Would that be the Australian Scots or the Kiwi Scots?
chas
New member
Re: Why should they ? NM
because they did b****y well (I am not suying that ellen did not - my vote went to her). I just expected more recognition for a team that has beaten all the major oppostion in the world.
PS They also beat the Scots.
because they did b****y well (I am not suying that ellen did not - my vote went to her). I just expected more recognition for a team that has beaten all the major oppostion in the world.
PS They also beat the Scots.
BarryD
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Re: Shame - Hardly!!!
Hardly, a credible second is very good - so well played to her.
However blue water sailing is not cheap hence it is seen as an elitist sport or one where you need lots of sponsership. It is easier to see yourself (or your kids) growing up and playing footie than it is sailing single handed or even crewing in a blue water race.
IMHO - She should be happy for second and the rest of us happy that a boatie type did so well.
Hardly, a credible second is very good - so well played to her.
However blue water sailing is not cheap hence it is seen as an elitist sport or one where you need lots of sponsership. It is easier to see yourself (or your kids) growing up and playing footie than it is sailing single handed or even crewing in a blue water race.
IMHO - She should be happy for second and the rest of us happy that a boatie type did so well.
billmacfarlane
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Re: Why should they ? NM
They beat all the major southern hemisphere teams in a series of friendlies. I've never heard of a team winning the Team of the Year for winning a series of friendlies.
They beat all the major southern hemisphere teams in a series of friendlies. I've never heard of a team winning the Team of the Year for winning a series of friendlies.
david_e
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Re: Declaration
Thought so, absolutely nothing to do with the name. Living in exile as well no less.......can be dangerous having a go at our lads on home turf! Beware Blunkett will be getting you all to Socially Integrate with us English next!!
As for Rugby, they all had their slot a year or two back, so that is that. Having said that the friendly's weren't all that friendly I seem to recall!
Thought so, absolutely nothing to do with the name. Living in exile as well no less.......can be dangerous having a go at our lads on home turf! Beware Blunkett will be getting you all to Socially Integrate with us English next!!
As for Rugby, they all had their slot a year or two back, so that is that. Having said that the friendly's weren't all that friendly I seem to recall!
billmacfarlane
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Re: Declaration
My God I've just had a terrible thought. Will I be asked what cricket team I support ? Now that's going to cause me a problem. I haven't a clue about the game. Oh well Glasgow here I come. !!!!!!
My God I've just had a terrible thought. Will I be asked what cricket team I support ? Now that's going to cause me a problem. I haven't a clue about the game. Oh well Glasgow here I come. !!!!!!
david_e
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Re: Declaration
Social Integration is focused on being able to communicate well in English so you've all had it! On your way back could you possibly take a few hundred thousand of your mates with you!!
Social Integration is focused on being able to communicate well in English so you've all had it! On your way back could you possibly take a few hundred thousand of your mates with you!!
billmacfarlane
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Re: Declaration
I could always try writing with an English accent.
I could always try writing with an English accent.