Secondhand Vs New

[Guest]

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I moving up from a Trapper 500 to something in the order of 37'
I am trying to reconcile new against 10 year old boats.
Im keen on the Westerly Typhoon but am tempted by some of the new plastic fantastics (Bav, Jean37 etc).
Ive looked at the technicals Sail Area / Disp ratio, Ballast ratio etc but still cant decide
Re sale value, ability to sail in 30 Knots + all important + performance in heavier airs more so than light air performance.
What about the stability curve for the Typhoon.
What do we think people.

 

[billmacfarlane]

Looks like the time come for you to stop evaluating and start sailing , DB. You can only learn so much from looking at stats. All the new boats you mention can be chartered for a weekend , so why don't you try them for a weekend each and see if they suit you. It might be a tad pricey but it could save you a lot of money long term.

 

[stevebirch2002]

Hi

I think we have the same with cars, as soon as you leave the showroom you lose 30% of the value!! better to stick to a tried and tested ten year old boat with all the extras already there. Many spring to mind - Westerly Typhoon being one.
I agree that tryinmg them out is the best bet and if you are the buyer then you will get plenty of trial sails.

Regards Steve Birch www.albinvega.com

Albin Vega "Southern Comfort" V1703

 

[JeremyF]

Before you try out all these boats, why not narrow down what what kind of sailing you want to do. If you envisage extended passages away from coastal waters, then a second hand heavier-displacement yacht is going to be the best bet. If you mostly plan to do family sailing in the channel, then I think the economics of a new Ben/Bav/Jen are compelling.

People have talked about the car analogy. I dont think this is appropriate as depreciation is negligable. After mooring costs, the next greatest cost is equipment repair and replacement. I for one, would like the idea of quite a few years when I don't have to budget for replacements and upgrades.

BTW, YM did a test of Westerley 37 vs. Jen 37 just before Westerley went bust. Interesting reading.

Jeremy Flynn

www.yacht-goldeneye.co.uk
New pics 11.02.02

 

[Guest]

Easy! (with a qualifier)

Buy a brand spanking new Bavaria 37.

It's what I'd do if I had possessed the patience two years ago. Buy new and forget about all the headaches of re-rigging, re-powering, re-waxing, re-wiring, re-pluming, re- re- re- re- etc.

The sad truth is I've spent more on my boat in two years than I would have on payments on a new one in the same time - honest. I have a really well equipped boat, mind you, with all new deck hardware etc., but it's still an older boat.

And, as I love the older designs, mine's a 1979 grp, the Bav's really are fun! Which would I want to be on board in a really serious blow ... well ... mine. But after the blow I would love the space of the Bav, the room for a big fridge ... ah, that would be the life!

(take the advice above, go sail them).

 

[brianhumber]

Depends if you enjoy heavier maintenance as opposed to just polishing as well as sailing the blessed things. If you do then 2nd hand is for you. If you are not practical then go for a new. What it will cost you in spares on a second hand yacht is broadly what the depreciation will be on a new one.
Either way enjoy.

 

[david_e]

If you go for a Bav/Jen/Ben then consider a nearly new, it might be advertised at newish prices but there is always scope for an offer and then your element of the depreciation on re-sale is far less, and the possibility of extras as well. Brand new can sometimes have a waiting list for delivery and additionally with used there are boats in Europe to look at. From what I have read about the Trapper 500 this group of yachts might be in the same mould so to speak.

If you go for the older heavier boat - I can't advise as I've not looked fully into this area yet.

 

[PeterGibbs]

The Typoon is a pacy plank, and is well built so will take a bit of thrashing - if that's what you want. It's quite light on its feet so will transmit the weather directly to you: if feeling secure and in control in a blow is important, this may not be the boat for you. But why not take one for a couple of seasons and get some thrills in.
A Westerly can be sold privately so no need to pay some broker 10%!

Then you can give in to comforts and the reassurance of good new gear! A new Bavaria (I have one now) offers clever use of space and layout - Westerly were always poor in this dept ( possibly with the exception of the Fulmar) and Westerly are no more (in reality) so will be less sought after with time - hence a downward price adjustment as the boat park (as the trade calls it) declines.

A new Yoghurt pot is a lot of fun, and they don't break up in rough weather quite as often as the owners of those handy long keelers with Toledo beetle crew seem to believe!

But will that nice Mr Blair crash the pound into the Euro before you have bought continental? In which case it will cost 10% or so more to buy from our eurobrothers! It's the "project" - don't you know? Ah - don't say you weren't warned!

PWG.

 

[AndrewB]

How I agree! (with a qualifier)

Unless people like you go on buying new boats, what is there going to be for us impecunious types in ten years time? Buy new, and keep second-hand prices down!

If Daddybear is serious about prioritising performance in stronger conditions and (judging from his name) he's cruising with a family crew, then a yacht with a medium long keel and a fairly high ballast ratio is a must, whether new or second-hand.

 

[billmacfarlane]

Either YW or ST did the same comparing the Westerly 37 against the Bav 37.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Selfish p-o-v

Buy secondhand. Old yachts are very rarely scrapped, and they already have moorings.

Au contraire, every time someone buys a new yacht, the pressure on moorings goes up (and so does the price), the uncrowded anchorages disappear, etc

 

[claymore]

The 30 knots of wind bit is interesting - it reads as if you only like going out in strong winds - or are you planning to spend your weekends in the Southern Ocean?

 

[ranga]

Maybe I\'m weird

But I reckon it helps to buy a boat that you can "love" and one that you get a great deal of pride out of when sailing. All a matter of personal opinion of course - whilst I could dream of owning a new Swan, I couldn't dream of owning a new Bav/Jen/Ben etc. I reckon you're more likely to find a secondhand boat in that class than a new one unless you are very rich of course.

Helps to love a boat when you spend money on her as well! Though I don't count marina fees in that category. I just spend a whack of money on a new teak laid deck (lets not start that thread again) and it was worth every penny - she looks beautiful.

 

[Guest]

DB,

I found this site today as I am looking for somewhere to advertise a couple of yachts for sale.

We charter them out in Turkey and we are upgrading. They are both Feeling 346's and are ten years old but very well kept due to the charter stuff.

Check them out on our site if interested. http://www.aspsailing.com/

In the meantime I'll be looking for somewhere to advertise them as I got sidetracked today!

Cheers

Ben