Seasafe Dandy - Help required

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I have been boating on the broads for the last couple of years in a Shetland 570 but find I am suffering from withdrawal symptoms from sailing, manifested by looking up at the masthead of every sailing boat I pass. To overcome this problem I have just bought a Seasafe Dandy which is missing the mast, boom, sails and rudder. I have found some pictures in the for sale ads but none show the boat rigged so I have no way of estimateing the size of the items I require. All of the boats seen are a sort of mini motor sailor with a windscreen and skeg hung rudder, mine has no screen, a transom hung rudder and a very wide keel which acts as the cabin floor and two small bilge keels. Any help with rig dimensions and sail areas would be a help and also if the rig is fractional or masthead. Gaff rigged with tan sails might go well on the broads. Many thanks for any information given. Stan
 
What? Like this?

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Forum Member aitchw has (or had) one.

Or This?

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Hi, Stan. Yes, as LakeSailor says, I have one and you are welcome to any info I can supply. First thing though, your description of the 'wide keel' and the transom hung rudder suggests to me that you may have a Sharky rather than a Dandy. The absence of the spray screen is not significant as it was added to later models with moulded bilge keels rather than steel plate.

There was some confusion about the identity of mine when I bought it, the Sharky being the other likely option.

If you go to this album you will see a load of images of mine, mostly in the sorry state she was in when I acquired her.

Have a look at those and come back to me if you are still convinced you have a Dandy and we'll take it from there.

If you have a Sharky, Alant (on these lists) used to own one and very kindly passed on some basic info to me when I was trying to establish what I had. Reckon between us all we should easily be able to help you get her on the water.

Good luck.
 
Many thanks for the help, it looks as if it isn't a Dandy after all. If you have any further ideas I would be grateful.

If I can find how to post pictures on this site I will show you what it looks like.

Stan
 
DogWatch has a very comprehensive guide to doing this but it doesn't appear to be active right now, at least I couldn't access it earlier so here is my rather more brief version

First, the image you want to display must be available on a public page on the web. If you don't have your own pages to post them to there are several free photo hosting sites you could use. I use http://photobucket.com/ but whichever you choose you must make the album 'Public' and the site has to support forum linking. Not all do.

When you have posted your image go to the page, display your pic and copy the URL from the address box at the top of your browser to your clipboard and start your forum post. At the point you want the image to appear click the 'Image' button top right in the 'Instant Mark-up' section below the dialogue box. The user prompt window will appear on screen. just paste your image URL in and click OK.

[image ]http://your URL[/image ]

will appear in the text.


It's a good idea to put a line space before and after the image code as above.

(Photobucket displays the URL of the full size pic in a box below the thumbnail for ease of use.)

Click on 'Preview' to check that the image appears. If it doesn't the most common reasons are that the album pages are not public, the hosting site does not support forum linking or there is an error in the URL to the pic. Generally the URL should end with .jpg and any characters after that should be deleted before trying again.

Last pointer. It's probably best to keep the picture size no bigger than about 650 to 700 pixels wide and use an image resolution under about 150dpi. Viewed on screen images at as little as 72dpi will often be OK. I don't use much or any compression. Small file sizes load much quicker for people viewing the forum post and excessively wide pictures make the thread a bit of a pain to view.

Not as good as DogWatch's guide but it should get you there.

Others may have diferent ideas about image size, resolution and compression.

Hope this works.

Howard
 
Great! Well that worked OK.

Right, it is definitely a Sharky. Apart from the info alant provided me with I have not been able to find any other contact for you as yet. There is one owner I know of who bought one in a similar state to yours and believe he got spars and rigging with it. I have emailed him asking if I might pass his email address on to you. So perhaps that willl help.

In general, though, I reckon you could rig her pretty much how you like without much problem and with a sail area of 90 to 100 sq. ft. she would make as good progress as she ever did. There are plenty of 2nd hand dinghy sails around but you just need to match them to your mast section. They are often cut for bendy masts and too full for a stiff one. I think I would go for some variation of gaf or gunter but you might best see what you can get in terms of spars.

I'm going to have closer look at the pics again.
 
I put an enterprise dingy main and jib on a 17foot Lysander .It sailed better than the standard rig. Cast off racing dinghy sails are usually still pretty good for pottering type use.
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Yep. It works for a lot of impoverished small boat sailors. I am using a loose footed main from a defunct cat class and my spare Albacore jib. The dreaded eBay can be a good source. I think I paid around £20 for the main and it came with a tiny jib that could make a storm jib on my boat.

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Works for me apart from the stupid class insignia!
 
It's 16' as near as dammit. 6.4 sq. m sail area might be a tad small but it would certainly work. That's about the same as a Mirror I think.

PS. Like the assymetric mast positioning. Very novel. (Ducks for cover)
 
That's a matter of perspective /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I didn't realise it was as long as 16ft. There's going to be loads of rigs that would suit. Must be loads of Enterprise sailors with old gear hanging in their garage roofs.
 
Hi,
I too have a Seasafe Dandy. She is rigged as a Bermudan cutter (with a bowsprit) so she carries main, jib and saysail, which allows her to sail closer to the wind and to tack a bit more readily than she does with just the jib up. I haven't got a picture of her with the sails up, but here are a couple that give some idea of the rig. The sail plan and spars are similar to a Wayfarer dinghy (which is also about 16'). I agree with Howard that you have quite a lot of choice. I'm in the process of working out how to fit a spinnaker from a Wayfarer.

All the best,
Justin
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Hi, Justin. It's a problem with Yahoo albums and forums.

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These should work. Copied them over to my Photbucket album.

Weren't you thinking of buying something else?

Cheers,

Howard
 
Hi Howard,
Thanks for your help with the photos. Yes, I was looking at possibly buying a Pirate, but in the end I decided that, like you, I do like the solid stability of the Dandy. I have e-mailed to your private address to catch up on the summers events.
Cheers,
Justin
 
Thanks for the help guys, I have just got back from a trip down river to collect some sloes for the gin, checking all the boats on the way to see if I could find one like it. On the road back I saw one in a boatyard for £1950, it has a cover on it and tinted windows so I couldnt see a lot but the mast looks to be about the same length as the boat and a straight section. I couldnt see any spreaders which I think my boat shoud have as it has double chain plates. I will call in at the yard next week and get a better look and with luck get the dimensions of the rudder as well. I might check with Jekkels sail makers as they may have a sailplan they can give me some details from.

I thought the Heron rig looked rather good.

Stan
 
These have their feet in the river and there are still loads left, I can give you a waypoint for them if you like. Mid October is supposed to be the best time for picking, some say you should wait for the first frost. I found a recipe on the web that starts "buy a litre bottle of gin and drink half of it".....More when I sober up.

Stan
 
Don't bother waiting for the frost. Just freeze them after picking. The purpose of that is to burst the cell walls to let more juice out.
I feel sorry for you if you bought sloe or damson gin gin (if you see what I mean) everyone here buys the cheapest gin available. It's nice when steeped in fruit but a bit firey on it's own.
If your recipe suggets adding brandy or/and sherry, take it steady. Taste before each addition. It may be fine without.
 
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