Sealine T51 Advice

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Last weekend we had a trip out on a fellow members Sealine T51 (Mike and Mary, Jenny wren) We had a fantastic time (Many thanks once again) and were even more excited knowing we had offered on a Sealine T51 in America.
A day after we returned we chased our offer up with the broker only to be told that it had been rejected. We had a chat and decided to increase our offer and also noted at the time that the asking price had been reduced. We are now offering approxiametely £10 to £15k under the asking price which considering the poor condition of the boat and the fact we have not seen it, feel is a fair offer.
The problem is this we dont get any feedback from the broker and have to chase them for information on our offer. We feel that we may appear to be over keen but have alot riding on this venture and waiting a week for answers before we decide to ring again is infuriating. We rang last night and was told that another party was interested and had put a higher offer in??? does anyone think this is bluff tactics? We emailed the Broker and explained we felt the sales adviser we are dealing with does not seem to be representing our offers and that we are constantly waiting for answers and also said we feel that due to the price reduction it would appear no other interested parties are involved, but I suppose we will have another wait over the weekend yet again.
Having never bought a boat through a broker how much should we pursue our offers? and would it be prudent to offer the asking price to secure the boat and then reduce the amout after viewing and surveys? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
they probably aint taking you serious as you havnt even viewed the boat - why dont you get a survey done. then make a informed offer?
the other thing to note is watch what you are saying on forums - you dont know who is watching them - if you see what I mean
 
A lot of this is sales tactics, sometimes when you really want something you pay a little more because its what you really want, rather than just looking. Bit like houses really. I think that boatkid is right, a survey will get there interest, but then you have spent real ££.

Sales is sales, and often the fiegned interest from a salesperson is trying to reflect the fact that they are selling loads like this, but chances are unless its an absolute bargain, they are keen to progress. Bit like if you ever go into a BMW showroom, their sales people are the same.

When I was looking for our Phantom, I found the same complacency, but once we shortlisted and hopped around a few places on a plane, we did get chased frequently, althoughout trips were Europe.

Perhaps you need to find a couple to see and fly out to shortlist, I am sure that will get the brokers attention.

One other tactic I always use in buying, is the 'I have a shortlist of 2 other boats, and I am going to make a decison by the end of xxxx', can you confirm our offer is accepatble subject to viewing/survey, otherwise I will take it off the list'

Have you searched everywhere? You should be able to build up a shortlist of T51's available in Europe and the USA, then map all the specs, age etc to produce a shortlist that suits your pocket.

Once i decided I wanted a phantom it took me 3-4 months to find a shortlist of 3, and I saw them all, and put offers in on 2, and although they were not accepted, one buyer came back a month later and took my offer.

I hope you find a good T51 and that this helps

MartynK
 
Hi guys
We have made formal offers and have been asked to pay a 10% deposit on acceptance of our offer but have been told not to just fly out to see the boat which we were prepaired to do. They told us offer and pay the deposit prior to making arrangements to travel out to the states.
We have the contract in front of us and have done everything they have asked even so much as prepared the money for the deposit by putting it into a friends US account (but they live in UK).
It seems very one sided we have done everything other than take a flight out there but they told us not to???
By the way agree with the bit about not putting too much info on here but if the broker does read this GET A MOVE ON !!!!!!
 
Why would they send you a contract and ask for 10% if you've not yet had an offer accepted? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Personally I'd be reluctant to bid on a six figure purchase if I'd not even seen it, but maybe that's just me...
 
Ari has a point they should only ask for the 10% deposit once an offer price has been accepted in writing. Assuming the american terms are similar to ours, the next step would be the deposit , subject to survey.

You can not do it the other way round i.e. survey then deposit. The deposit shows your serious intentions. Be warned that following the survey, in the event this reveals nothing too costly (small items can be sorted via a reduction in the offer)
then you are obligated to complete within a certain period.

If you pull out then or dont complete in time your deposit is lost. Again all this IMHO



The deposit
 
Agreed but we are to put a deposit down after the written offer has been accepted but they dont seem to respond to the offer unless we chase it.
They want the deposit to "secure the boat" to prevent us losing out by turning up in the states (£700 in flights plus accomodation) and them already having sold the boat.
We would only offer subject to survey and a proper viewing but met resistance when we said we planned to go and view without placing an offer or deposit first.
The broker is a very large concern and has been going for many years from our research.
All in all very confusing but the broker (main man) really moved things for us its just the sales guy who seems to be asleep in so much as its nearly a week between correspondence and its us that seems to have to contact them hence my first posting "are we too keen"
 
"They want the deposit to "secure the boat" to prevent us losing out by turning up in the states (£700 in flights plus accomodation) and them already having sold the boat"

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Dont like the sound of that, I mean a deposit is 10%. With no accepted price then 10% of what? is he asking for.

If you want to go and view the boat and it goes b4 you get there that is your risk naturally, not an excuse for the broker to get you to send money b4 an accepted offer.
 
I'm inclined to agree. I think I'd either take the risk and travel over to see it (maybe I'd ask the broker to ask the owner if the boat could be put "on hold" for three days whilst I got over there so I knew as I was boarding the plane at least that I wasn't wasting my time) or I'd forget it.

Trying to buy something I'd not seen that was in a foreign country and worth this level of money sounds a non starter to me, and maybe that's why the broker is unwilling to take it too seriously also.
 
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We emailed the Broker and explained we felt the sales adviser we are dealing with does not seem to be representing our offers ...

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I would see what comes out of that before getting too worked up.

Kelly Cook
 
10% of the agreed price if they ever get back to me to confirm or decline or offers.
We will give it until monday then one final phone call and we will then withdraw our interest in her.
I know it looks like a strange carry on just wondered if they had a different way of doing things in the US
 
Oh by the way not worked up at all just never bought from abroad before and seems to be a little different. I supose we are keen to know whats going on because this is a vpery large venture for us and I like to see things moving and be kept informed of progress not drag things on for weeks /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
this probably isnt what you want to hear, but it sounds like your heart is taking over here. Why on earth should you have to put a 10pct deposit to see the boat-which is the current reality, isnt it? I think a flight ticket seems a good investment. If all is odd when you are there, you may have lost a few hundred quid, but you ve saved alot more. This all sounds as though getting your 10pct back if all is not well, is going to be extremely difficult given how hard this first stage is becoming. Tell them what you want, and if you dont get it, take a breath and move on. It could all turn out ok, but if it doesnt, you are going to look back and wonder how you got into this mess.
 
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10% of the agreed price if they ever get back to me to confirm or decline or offers.

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But you said that you had the contract in front of you. So what figure have they put on that? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
The amount we offered initially but they turned it down so we offered more but as yet have not had any feedback 5 days later
 
No good in the UK Phil need'd to be US spec and at a good price. Its not coming to the UK and we are looking at one which needs work so price is good
 
sorry your biog says you are moving to the Solent, I still wouldnt send any money til i had seen the boat, its much harder getting it back than paying
 
Yeh sorry Phil thought I'd changed it.
We had planned to stay in the UK but after my house sale fell through last year we ended up staying put.
Now things are back on track and we have decided its better to go completely rather than stay here to be taxed to death /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Besides diving for a living beats crawling under floors and working in mucky houses for a living
 
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