Seagull outboards

dylanwinter

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A few years ago I posted a film about seagulls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UghuKAn0Mm8&lc=z13yxbwp0omzvnell230gfgz4uvwdfwcw

it did rather upset a few people

this was a cracker

My Seagull is very environmentally friendly. I can say this with a bit of scientific background, having a Bsc in Ecological and Environmental Science. I would like to put the point of view forward that my 2L Turbo diesel engine in my car dumps 6.2 liters of heavy saturate carbonate oil every time I get it serviced. The engine in question in your vid drops 9/10 parts petrol into the water that evaporates and burns all of the oil it runs on. On an even bigger scale (you might disagree) the manufacturing process implicated to create the plastics on a newer engine have an enormous environmental impact. Not only that plastic is the main pollutant in the oceans, not one letire of water can be found in the ocean that does not contain plastic at a microscopic level. It's been proven that there is so much plastic in the food chain that the chemicals used to produce; the one time use material, is affecting human hormones. I don't hate you, but it's your opinion that belongs in a museum not your engine...
 
Joihn Wayhope (long time erstwhile owner of british Seagull would support that view.

The danger of assessing environmental and cost impact at one point in the lifecycle of the product and its use is that it is not necessarily representative of the total lifetime impact of the product.

Plenty of other examples of the idiocy of concentrating on minimising the impact of one very visible part of the cycle and ignoring the invisible and invariably more negative impacts.
 
ghostlymoron said:
Like. Don't ignore the lifetime impact.
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+1
Instead of just banning robust simple 2 strokes the effort should have been made to ensure they burned all their oil or it was filtered out somehow. An simple 2st o/b that would last 20 years + is much better than a temperamental high tech 4 stroke.

And in any case (have said this before), far, far more oil goes down the galley sink than comes out of my Tohatsu 5hp during a cruising year.
 
It does seem to me that alot of outboards built 30 plus years ago were extraordinarily robust. Seagulls don't have the monopoly on that - I have a 1970's Yamaha 3.5ac and it is still superb. And an Ailsa Craig that still has the "made in Yugoslavia" label of history - that fires up and runs beautifully. Seagulls are of course the long survivors. The new fourstrokes are expensive, have loads of non-durable plastics and mild steel fixings, and are not built to be kept going more than 10 years absolute max - so that you have to buy another one. The most carbon produced is in making new things. So sipping less and less fuel as a justification for more and more EU Regs kind of misses the point doesn't it?
 
dylanwinter said:
A few years ago I posted a film about seagulls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UghuKAn0Mm8&lc=z13yxbwp0omzvnell230gfgz4uvwdfwcw

it did rather upset a few people

this was a cracker

My Seagull is very environmentally friendly. I can say this with a bit of scientific background, having a Bsc in Ecological and Environmental Science. I would like to put the point of view forward that my 2L Turbo diesel engine in my car dumps 6.2 liters of heavy saturate carbonate oil every time I get it serviced. The engine in question in your vid drops 9/10 parts petrol into the water that evaporates and burns all of the oil it runs on. On an even bigger scale (you might disagree) the manufacturing process implicated to create the plastics on a newer engine have an enormous environmental impact. Not only that plastic is the main pollutant in the oceans, not one letire of water can be found in the ocean that does not contain plastic at a microscopic level. It's been proven that there is so much plastic in the food chain that the chemicals used to produce; the one time use material, is affecting human hormones. I don't hate you, but it's your opinion that belongs in a museum not your engine...
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Not sure l understand that post ^.

Anyway, I have a long shaft Seagull engine which worked last time I tried it about one year ago. Available for a £10 donation to the JDRF. Collection only, near Swindon.
 
Storyline said:
+1
Instead of just banning robust simple 2 strokes the effort should have been made to ensure they burned all their oil or it was filtered out somehow. An simple 2st o/b that would last 20 years + is much better than a temperamental high tech 4 stroke.

And in any case (have said this before), far, far more oil goes down the galley sink than comes out of my Tohatsu 5hp during a cruising year.
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Two strokes are not banned.

Small, simple, two stroke outboards simply fail to meet the emissions regulations introduced as part of the Recreational Craft Directive a few years ago.

Mercury, Mariner and Evinrude have developed 2 stroke outboards ( 50 hp and larger IIRC ) which comply with these regulations.
 
VicS said:
Two strokes are not banned.

Small, simple, two stroke outboards simply fail to meet the emissions regulations introduced as part of the Recreational Craft Directive a few years ago.

Mercury, Mariner and Evinrude have developed 2 stroke outboards ( 50 hp and larger IIRC ) which comply with these regulations.
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You make it sounds like unitended consequences. NO - those Eurocrats knew fine well what they were doing - they knew they were BANNING small two strokes. They just chose boaters - not gardeners or mopeders.
 
JumbleDuck said:
If he uses biodegradable two stroke oil then his Seagull is certainly more environmentally friendly that the antiquated diesel in Harmony ... and my slightly more recent 1GM10, by the way.
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Can you use biodegradable tso in a Seagull? I use so little that the quart bottle I have will last quite a long time yet but eventually I'll have to buy some more.
 
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