Scuppers, Whats your take on them

[steveeasy]

Quick one this. Do they exist on a sailboat. Ive heard the term used widely by owners. some people refer to cockpit drains as scuppers, not sure about that. I heard the term used for drains from a bridge deck to the cockpit sole. not sure about that. So I had a read and this popped up a hole in a ship's side to carry water overboard from the deck. Made sense to me. A couple of my friends boats have these instead of normal deck drains.

Whats your Take on them.

Steveeasy

 

[Poignard]

"SCUPPERS, dalots, (schoepen, Dutch, to draw off) certain channels cut through the water-ways and sides of a ship, at proper distances, and lined with plated lead, in order to carry the water off from the deck into the sea.

The scuppers of the lower deck of a ship of war are usually furnished with a leathern pipe, called the scupper-hoase, which hangs downward from the mouth or opening of the scupper. The intent of this is to prevent the water from entering when the ship inclines under a weight of sail."

Ref: Falconer's '
An Universal Dictionary of the Marine
Or, a Copious Explanation of the Technical Terms and Phrases Employed in the Construction, Equipment, Furniture, Machinery, Movements, and Military Operations of a Ship. Illustrated With Variety of Original Designs of Shipping, in Different Situations; Together With Separate Views of Their Masts, Sails, Yards, and Rigging. to Which Is Annexed, a Translation of the French Sea-terms and Phrases, Collected from the Works of Mess. Du Hamel, Aubin, Saverien, &c. '

 

[Poignard]

The cockpit sole could reasonably be considered as a 'lower deck', in so far as it is a deck lower than the maindeck.

So, applying Falconer's definition, its drains are 'scuppers'.

Henceforward, I shall refer to my cockpit drains as 'ye cockpitte scuppers'.

 

[Blueboatman]

My last boat had two scuppers at the front of the cockpit .
And a much larger dump drain or ‘scupper’ at the rear . Seemed sensible
With an open transom this comes as standard ?

 

[steveeasy]

"SCUPPERS, dalots, (schoepen, Dutch, to draw off) certain channels cut through the water-ways and sides of a ship, at proper distances, and lined with plated lead, in order to carry the water off from the deck into the sea.

The scuppers of the lower deck of a ship of war are usually furnished with a leathern pipe, called the scupper-hoase, which hangs downward from the mouth or opening of the scupper. The intent of this is to prevent the water from entering when the ship inclines under a weight of sail."

Ref: Falconer's '
An Universal Dictionary of the Marine
Or, a Copious Explanation of the Technical Terms and Phrases Employed in the Construction, Equipment, Furniture, Machinery, Movements, and Military Operations of a Ship. Illustrated With Variety of Original Designs of Shipping, in Different Situations; Together With Separate Views of Their Masts, Sails, Yards, and Rigging. to Which Is Annexed, a Translation of the French Sea-terms and Phrases, Collected from the Works of Mess. Du Hamel, Aubin, Saverien, &c. '

Ok thanks!!

 

[steveeasy]

The cockpit sole could reasonably be considered as a 'lower deck', in so far as it is a deck lower than the maindeck.

So, applying Falconer's definition, its drains are 'scuppers'.

Henceforward, I shall refer to my cockpit drains as 'ye cockpitte scuppers'.

Oh. Right that opens up a can of worms den.
thanks
Steveeasy

 

[johnalison]

My HR has a modest toe-rail with a teak cap. The water drains off via two pairs off scuppers that join the cockpit drains. The advantage is that you don't get grey stains on the topsides, but risk having the scuppers blocked with leaves, though this has only happened once and was easily remedied.

 

[Wansworth]

Are they related to being “scuppered”

 

[capnsensible]

Should you happen to nhave a drunken sailor aboard, scuppers are a convenient place to stick him with a hosepipe, apparently.

 

[Tranona]

Are they related to being “scuppered”

Yes - as capnsensible says, and immortalised in the shanty

"put 'im in the scuppers with the hosepipe on 'im"

Then carried over into everyday usage to mean something like all is lost, as in Boris yesterday - he was "scuppered" by the metaphorical hosepipes of his colleagues' declarations of lack of support!

 

[Poignard]

Yes - as capnsensible says, and immortalised in the shanty

"put 'im in the scuppers with the hosepipe on 'im"

Then carried over into everyday usage to mean something like all is lost, as in Boris yesterday - he was "scuppered" by the metaphorical hosepipes of his colleagues' declarations of lack of support!

Good heavens Tranona, I never thought I'd see you post anything like that!

The world is being turned on its head.

 

[Wansworth]

I will be banned now?

 

[Poignard]

I will be banned now?

You had it coming to you!

 

[Wansworth]

You had it coming to you!

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[Tranona]

Good heavens Tranona, I never thought I'd see you post anything like that!

The world is being turned on its head.

Indeed it is. Just trying to find a topical way of explaining how expressions enter from specialised to everyday language. The subject of that example will no doubt be the source of many new expressions as he slides into history! Just thinking of all the quotes (and misquotes) of one of his predecessors that still hang around in our everyday consciousness.

 

[steveeasy]

By the way…’scuppers’ are not what are now called ‘freeing ports.
So are they actually Freeing ports, and scuppers nothing more than a dark place for drunken sailors to hang out.

Steveeasy

 

[Chiara’s slave]

By the way…’scuppers’ are not what are now called ‘freeing ports.
So are they actually Freeing ports, and scuppers nothing more than a dark place for drunken sailors to hang out.

Steveeasy

It’s where I finish up when I snore

 

[mjcoon]

My HR has a modest toe-rail with a teak cap. The water drains off via two pairs off scuppers that join the cockpit drains. The advantage is that you don't get grey stains on the topsides, but risk having the scuppers blocked with leaves, though this has only happened once and was easily remedied.

Perhaps if you have deciduous cross-trees?

 

[Landfall]

Three inch toerail with teak capping makes 4.5 inches 40 foot on deck, beam 12 .5 feet , double ender , let’s call it 4 x90 degree triangles 6.25x20x.33 approx so 41.25 cubic feet times 4 = 165 cubic feet
avoirdupois weight of 1 cubic foot of water is62.43 pounds . If I took a big green over the deck I would have. 10300 pounds of water on deck . Or 4.29 tonnes . Yep I need my scuppers or a return ticket from Davy Jones locker

 

[mjcoon]

Three inch toerail with teak capping makes 4.5 inches 40 foot on deck, beam 12 .5 feet , double ender , let’s call it 4 x90 degree triangles 6.25x20x.33 approx so 41.25 cubic feet times 4 = 165 cubic feet
avoirdupois weight of 1 cubic foot of water is62.43 pounds . If I took a big green over the deck I would have. 10300 pounds of water on deck . Or 4.29 tonnes . Yep I need my scuppers or a return ticket from Davy Jones locker

Is your deck flat, like a ro-ro ferry car deck?