Saloon table joinery

[Spuddy]

I vaguely remember a similar question but search doesn't bring it up.
I'm converting a saloon table for a chum and want to fit a bottle store, So that's a solid wood top with an ovalish lift out bit for access to bottles.
Don't really want to make up inner and outer router templates to get a snug fit from separate bits of board if possible. Better grain match and quickness if one process can give me the top and the insert. Is there a clever router bit and technique to do this?
Jig saw and abrasives would be just too sloppy a fit so anyone point me in the right direction please?

 

[pvb]

One possible easy solution is the one used by Hallberg-Rassy. The bottle store in the table was accessed by lifting the entire centre top off. There were two cutouts underneath, and matching pieces of wood on the underside of the top so that the top stayed in position.

 

[Daydream believer]

Hope this link work
If not google Trend floor access system. it comes with about 3 No access rims.Not sure of the size. May be too big or you may be able to cut it down a bit or use it as an idea for development for your problem

Never used one but the plastic trim they supply may save you doing a matching lipping & being round you can fit a bottle & possibly find a round plastic container , or even sew canvas ones , to fit under . The lid would just rotate to match the veneer.
If you want to do a square lid then router half way through. Finish one side of the groove ( the lid side) by cutting right through with a jig saw. then on one half ( The lid) fit a timber lipping( half depth) to form the lip & on the other half( The fixed table bit) fit an iron on lipping on the upper half of the rebate

Alternatively it is cut right through, 2 iron on lippings & a piece of timber underneath to form the retaining lip. This could be the top edge of the bottle tray so it looks neater.

http://www.trend-uk.com/en/CZ/trend/content/content_detail.php?record_type=Knowledge&id=60

 

[Poignard]

The link works if you leave out the letter 's' before http:// etc

 

[Daydream believer]

The link works if you leave out the letter 's' before http:// etc

Thanks. Think i have it now !!!

 

[lw395]

You could get it laser cut?
Or make the table top from parket-style blocks?
Or make the top and lid, then veneer both?

 

[Spuddy]

Thanks for all the suggestions chaps - much appreciated.
I'll probably do pvb's suggestion; I can do it with the tools I've got and looks quite neat

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

One possible easy solution is the one used by Hallberg-Rassy. The bottle store in the table was accessed by lifting the entire centre top off. There were two cutouts underneath, and matching pieces of wood on the underside of the top so that the top stayed in position.

An arrangement to lock that in position would give me more confidence in it.
Also would appear to present difficulties if more wine were required during the progress of a meal?

 

[pvb]

An arrangement to lock that in position would give me more confidence in it.
Also would appear to present difficulties if more wine were required during the progress of a meal?

Those are just stock photos, but my old HR352 had the same arrangement and I have to say it never occurred to me to worry that the table top might suddenly leap out and cause damage. Of course, HR owners tend to sail more cautiously perhaps than some others!

 

[[70521]]

An arrangement to lock that in position would give me more confidence in it.
Also would appear to present difficulties if more wine were required during the progress of a meal?

That's easy, you just remove all the bottles before the start of the meal and return the unopened, if any, ones.

 

[PCUK]

Why not route the cut using a fine bit and a template, then simply fit a flange beneath?

 

[johnalison]

Why not route the cut using a fine bit and a template, then simply fit a flange beneath?

It would have to be impossibly thin. Because my younger generation of HR owners now sail with great vigour, the tables are different to that illustrated, and have a conventional lid. This is cut from a separate piece of wood, so the match isn't perfect. Mine is close enough, and you wouldn't notice unless you were looking for it. I met one owner whose lid, on a 36, was not so well matched and was a bit unhappy about it, but it may have mellowed after a few years. The Sadler 29 had a similar system, but the lid was slightly lower than the table. This was sometimes a problem when playing board games with the children.

 

[Daydream believer]

Of course, HR owners tend to sail more cautiously perhaps than some others!

Where on earth do you get that from? I thought that one of the reasons for buying the HR was its blue water capabilities which suggest a far more adventurous attitude to sailing. Or would one be suggesting that HR owners are just stoggy old types frightened to go out in a bit of chop-- A good debate for a thread that one me thinks !!!!

 

[pvb]

Where on earth do you get that from? I thought that one of the reasons for buying the HR was its blue water capabilities which suggest a far more adventurous attitude to sailing. Or would one be suggesting that HR owners are just stoggy old types frightened to go out in a bit of chop-- A good debate for a thread that one me thinks !!!!

To get the table top to come off, you'd have to capsize the boat - something HR owners try to avoid!

 

[GrahamM376]

.....would one be suggesting that HR owners are just stoggy old types frightened to go out in a bit of chop-- A good debate for a thread that one me thinks !!!!

A bit like expecting a Chelsea Tractor driver to take their 4wd off road?

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

That's easy, you just remove all the bottles before the start of the meal and return the unopened, if any, ones.

Reminds me of that totally superfluous warning they put on the side of wine bottles; "Once opened, must be consumed within three days".......