A1Sailor
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Do there be wreckers in Cornwall. Lure ships to their beach then demand ransom money?
Russian captain blames “Unsafe UK shipping conditions”
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savageseadog
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The Captain will probably be conferring with the locals as to the best course of action. It will be a fire or sinking next.
fisherman
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The harbourmaster on local radio on the day said he was roused early in the morning to be told the ship was trying to leave but having trouble.
Falmouth harbour jurisdiction or whatever you call it extends beyond where the ship was anchored, I believe it is between Manacle point and the Nare NE of St Anthony. Many ships now anchor longterm down towards the Lizard and in Mts Bay to avoid charges.
Oh, I think he actually lost the anchor, chain only came back.
Falmouth harbour jurisdiction or whatever you call it extends beyond where the ship was anchored, I believe it is between Manacle point and the Nare NE of St Anthony. Many ships now anchor longterm down towards the Lizard and in Mts Bay to avoid charges.
Oh, I think he actually lost the anchor, chain only came back.
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fisherman
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Not during the hols, we deserve time off just like you.
fisherman
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Pilot boat cox tells me the ship is on a buoy in Carrick Roads, piling up unpaid fees. Crew starving and Seamen's Mission taking donated food out to them, along with a box of fishing gear with, unfortunately, trout hooks and no lead sinkers, but the thought was there. A woman found huddled in a street doorway in the small hours turned out to be the relief cook.
The ship had several engine failures during the anchor shifting attempt. Should send the crew home and detain and scrap the ship, if that were possible.
The ship had several engine failures during the anchor shifting attempt. Should send the crew home and detain and scrap the ship, if that were possible.
dom
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A sad, story unfolding from the initial bluster. The crew's welfare is of course the responsibility of the ship owners, though the MCA have indicated they are coordinating with them to make sure the crew is safe and well cared for. The necessary repairs, salvage and refueling also need to be paid.
The bill by now is quite possibly more than the ship is worth.
Kukri
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This ship is so ancient and has been so neglected that she can only be worth scrap.
The problem is that the nearest shipbreaking yard is in Turkey, so she would need quite a long tow. Scrap prices are pretty good at the moment, and since she looks to have an ice bow she might have have been built to a high ice class and have quite a good lightweight. But it's only old Russian steel, and the residuals won't be worth much. Under English law the salvage claim has priority over crew wages.
The problem is that the nearest shipbreaking yard is in Turkey, so she would need quite a long tow. Scrap prices are pretty good at the moment, and since she looks to have an ice bow she might have have been built to a high ice class and have quite a good lightweight. But it's only old Russian steel, and the residuals won't be worth much. Under English law the salvage claim has priority over crew wages.
Tomahawk
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The fact we no longer have any ship recycling facilities is an pretty bad refelction on the state of affairs.
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I understand Appledore Shipyard is closing down. Perhaps you have identified a business opportunity.
Tomahawk
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Given the council and othe public sector jobsworths demanding a risk assessment to have a shit in the works toilets.... no chance in the UK
Far better to pollute the seas by running ships up a beach just over the horizon.
Far better to pollute the seas by running ships up a beach just over the horizon.
Jungle Jim
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Nick Costen
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That's only the one firm, and I think they specialise in high-profile tasks for customers such as governments who will pay extra for environmentally-friendly disposal. I wonder if there are any others?
Uricanejack
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As a kid I remember watching an old Carrier getting broken up on the Clyde back in the 70s. I think it took a a year or two can’t remember the Name.
Back in the day they just used to send guys on with a gas axe and start cutting. Pull of and resell any useful bits and of to a ravenscraig or the like with the rest. No more ship breakers on the Clyde and no more Ravesngraig ither both long gone to the history books.
Old ships are full of all sorts of nasty toxic carcinogenic stuff nobody cared about once up on a long time ago.
I personally knew a few old shipyard guys who passed away young with Mesothelioma or other Asbestos related problems. It is a real issue and workers in this day and age shouldn’t be exposed to the stuff.
I don’t know the UK health and safety reps but the UK is very reputable about such things. The UK often leads and Canada follows. Here the abatement require are so expensive it’s more costly than the ship is worth. Together with legislation outlawing the sale of Canadian ships to 3rd world counties without abatement.
Old ship lay abandoned and rusting for years or are sold for a dollar as a operating ship to a another flag for a life running somewhere else. To avoid the abatement costs.
What the new owner does after it leaves?
Getting rid of a rusty old Soviet era ship? Hopefully the crew get paid they are often neglected and victims in these incidents. Fortunately for them in the UK where there are groups who will help.
True salvage comes first but salvage shouldn’t be excessive. Lloyd’s is about being reasonable after the ship is saved with the fact there would be nothing to get value from for anyone if the salvors hadn’t saved the vessel.
No happy ending likley to this story.
Back in the day they just used to send guys on with a gas axe and start cutting. Pull of and resell any useful bits and of to a ravenscraig or the like with the rest. No more ship breakers on the Clyde and no more Ravesngraig ither both long gone to the history books.
Old ships are full of all sorts of nasty toxic carcinogenic stuff nobody cared about once up on a long time ago.
I personally knew a few old shipyard guys who passed away young with Mesothelioma or other Asbestos related problems. It is a real issue and workers in this day and age shouldn’t be exposed to the stuff.
I don’t know the UK health and safety reps but the UK is very reputable about such things. The UK often leads and Canada follows. Here the abatement require are so expensive it’s more costly than the ship is worth. Together with legislation outlawing the sale of Canadian ships to 3rd world counties without abatement.
Old ship lay abandoned and rusting for years or are sold for a dollar as a operating ship to a another flag for a life running somewhere else. To avoid the abatement costs.
What the new owner does after it leaves?
Getting rid of a rusty old Soviet era ship? Hopefully the crew get paid they are often neglected and victims in these incidents. Fortunately for them in the UK where there are groups who will help.
True salvage comes first but salvage shouldn’t be excessive. Lloyd’s is about being reasonable after the ship is saved with the fact there would be nothing to get value from for anyone if the salvors hadn’t saved the vessel.
No happy ending likley to this story.
A1Sailor
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HMS Eagle and HMS Ark Royal (R09) were both broken up at Cairnryan near Stranraer, the latter from 1980-83.
There was a shipbreakers yard at Faslane, just north of the present Clyde Submarine Base. HMS Vanguard was broken up there, after running aground near the entrance to Portsmouth Harbour while under tow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23)#Decommissioning_and_fate
There was a shipbreakers yard at Faslane, just north of the present Clyde Submarine Base. HMS Vanguard was broken up there, after running aground near the entrance to Portsmouth Harbour while under tow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23)#Decommissioning_and_fate