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Here are the results of the Scuttlebutt RTIR Challenge.
Note the results are sorted on O/A position
Well done - Goldie

Name - Boat - O/A
Goldie - E'le May - ISC D - 39
funsize - Jo Jo Gunne IRC2 - 103
EdEssery - Skybird - ISC C -121
WayneS - Lasten - ISC D -178
DaveL - Jenny Wren - ISC A -193
Doris - Doris Minor IRC3 -194
rhinorhino - Mister Rhino - ISC C -217
Wicked - Wicked - ISC D -232
Piddy - Gallivant of Hamble - ISC B -265
AeolusIV - AeolusIV – TBA -293
cutter - Ayesha - ISC B -311
GeorgeP - Wendy Lou - IRC3 -424
Pie - Moana - TBA. -474
Talulah - Talulah - IRC 3 -536
bignick - Moondance - ISC Group B -544
Bluepippa - Melteme - ISC C -R/T
geoffW- JLS - ISC D -R/T
piscis - Rokaira - ISC C -???
flyingjunior Black Rose - Old Gaffers -N/D
 
Thanks for doing that rhinorhino, you just saved me a couple of hours of work !!

By the time I got to fire up my PC last night, I was just too knackered to scroll through and find everybody else's results !!

Well done to Goldie - you came 'screaming' up behind us around Newtown Creek. Ele May looked splended under full sail, spinnaker and mizzen stay sail and all. When the wind veered, you were drifting alongside us about 50 yards to our port, then we seemed to pull away towards Hurst. I took a couple of pictures of you, so PM me your e-mail address and I will send them to you.

As for ourselves, we had a day of Good News, Bad News.

We were about 10yards from the line at the gun, the only problem being we weren't actually carrying any way ! I had been concerned about drifting over early so spilled any wind from the main about 15 seconds before. The consequence was that all the boats who left the waiting area under full sail came past and left us behind! Down at Hurst we drifted into another boat in slow motion, because we had no steerage way and nor did they. All in good spirits of course. Wind picked up nicely in Needles channel, got round quite safely - then struggled to point high enough to tack up towards St Cats against the tide. Eventually got round there and up to Bembridge uneventfully. At Nomansland Fort, we started the nail biting - are we going to get there in time, or not?? Our speed through the water varied from 0.8 (we would fail!) to 2.5 (we would get there!). The tide was doing all the work at about 2.5 knots. Got carved up by one of Iangrant's favourite ferries whose wash slowed us down for 30 seconds. Then half a mile short of the line, 10 minutes to go, the breeze picked up and came onto the beam, and we sailed across the line at 4 knots! High fives all round.

We had set out with 3 objectives:
- Get round safely. Achieved with no damage, no sickness or sunstroke.
- Have fun. Achieved. Saw lots of wonderful sights, had a few laughs, very high spirited after we crossed the line.
- Have some success - partly achieved. Finished with only another 12 qualifiers behind us, but this was euphoric in itself.

However, we also achieved something over and above these 3 - we learned a hell of a lot. Main points (sorry for stating the obvious)

1. Clean the Boat - On the Friday evening, prior to a great meal, we had been brushing seaweed about 2foot long from just under the water line, which wasn't there 2 weeks ago. The antifoul is 18 months old, and not been scrubbed since last September. The boat is coming out the day after the International Fleet Review and I can't wait to see how much of a forest is hanging off the bottom - on Saturday, it felt like a couple of tons worth!
2. Plan the start better - as first timers, it was a case of keep out of trouble. I wanted to keep the genoa up, rather than cruising chute, so I had more control. In hindsight, we could have hoisted it from a minute out if we had been in the right place.
3. On a difficult beat, ie into low breeze against the tide, use the most best helm to point as effectively as possible.
4. The whole experience was not as intimidating as I had anticipated. There is plenty of room on the line, and applying common sense along with an alert crew we avoided any confrontation with other boats all the way round.
5. If I was going to take it seriously, I would be buying a decent spinnaker.

All in all a great day out --- we did better than the 350ish who didn't finish at all, and what's more our corrected time is better than Ellen Macarthur's, so I know we weren't last overall.
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Will definitely give it another go next year.
 
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I think you have hit the nail on the head with this. IMHO the RTIR has fallen into the same trap as the ARC, and over the years concentrated more on the racing than on the other aspects of this race. There are plenty of opportunities for the guys who like to sit along the side of their boat and dangle their boots in the water for a few hours, but very little opportunities for those of us who are more leisurely inclined but like to shake the reefs out occasionally and even try to remember how to rig the chute. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Talbot is right - there needs to be a 'Corinthian' RTIR.

I don't have Ch 37 on my VHF [hands up those who do!]. I made the mistake of talking to the committee boat - they asked me if I had Ch 37, and I said no. They disqualified me! Too honest, that's my trouble!

Nicholas Hill

Black Prince
 
Top top day, long day, out!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

What were peoples finishing times and group posistions and the like then?

Jo Jo Gunne

Finishing time - 18:14:13
Elapsed time - 09:04:13
Corrected time - 09:12:23

Overall - 103
Group, IRC 2 - 39
Division, 6 - 2 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Thanks Nick for your kind comments and good of you to take some photographs; I've sent you a PM with my Email address. It was a fabulous days sailing - at least after the light airs lottery between Newtown Creek and Hurst. At least my 2 hours underwater last weekend scrubbing the bottom when I could have been out sailing, paid off! I hope all the other competing "Scuttlebutters" enjoyed the day as much as we did.
 
posted on the previous thread.

I was attached to a buoy by the breakwater and underestimated the time it would take to fight my way to a decent position on the line at 0700/0800 so ended up starting far to close to the island. I managed to get over the line although a lot of boats coming out to the start caused me considerable grief, and once over the line I fell into a complete wind hole. I pirouetted a couple of times and watched the big buoys getting closer and closer. I worked out that even if the wind did get up to the forecast I would be in big trouble if and when I tried to do the needles to St Cats leg as windward is difficult in low wind conditions ( I have held full sail up to +30 knots apparent so you can see that I am a tad short on sail area). So I binned it /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I motored down to Newtown creek and parked for lunch close to another forum member and we exchanged pleasantries (and a very nice glass of wine) and then at 1400 I came out and had a nice sail with the tide back to Portsmouth.

I suspect that those multihulls that remained in the race were a long way ahead of you and capable of much higher speeds - my boat is a bit like me chronically overweight and only capable of a decent turn of speed when going downhill /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
One of the main factors which affected the non-racers was the postponement of the start by an hour, then an additional 10 minutes for later groups, without a corresponding postponement to the end time. The slower boats were dropping like flies during the evening when they realised they couldnt make it.

WHen we crossed with 4 minutes to go, there must have been 50 behind us still heading for the line. It would have been very disappointing to have been just a few minutes late.

Apparently they didn't want to delay the finish, because it would have been too dark to read sail numbers. MMmmm - more likely they would have missed last orders in the club bar !
 
Thanks for this Rhino

Had a good but looooong day out.

Left Gosport at 06:30 to make sure we were at the line for out 8:30 prestart with plenty of time to spare. So, we were given another hour to drift around……. Start was great with us across the line 10-15 secs after the gun.

Looking at the tides and wind direction we opted for a mid channel run down to Hurst. While the southern channel had the stronger tidal flow we were concerned that they would get less wind later on as the island sheltered the SE breeze. It def looked like we chose the right option being able to fly our Spin from the start all the way to Lymington overhauling most of the previous start. But then the error. If only we had returned to the southern channel before we lost the wind too. Slowly but surely the fleet moved past us and as we sat in Hurst narrows drifting sideways, boats 50 yards away to the S were off at a great rate... ho hum.

Rounded the needles no probs and had a diff beat up to St Cats. Chose the onshore route to avoid the teeth of the tide which again seems to have been the wrong option. About half way to St Cats we went further off shore and soon had to put in a reef, yes a reef. Had 25 knots across the deck for about 1 hour. Rounded St Cats still with 18 knots of wind and held out own with the fleet around us to Bembridge.

From Bembridge we must have been in a different wind system cos we sailed away from everyone. We flew the spinny at 5-6kn all the way to the line, taking 20 or 30 places on the way with not a single boat passing us.

Again we held out well offshore and reached into the line. We stormed in while others drifted down on a dead run.

Why oh why do they put the declaration boat so far away and why to some people think that it's OK to push in...

Great day though.

Whenever we are out on a cruise there is a SW blowing. 3 RTI's now and never had one. What is going on??????
 
"IMHO the RTIR has fallen into the same trap as the ARC, and over the years concentrated more on the racing than on the other aspects of this race."

Wrong end of the stick, there, Talbot. It IS a race, not a rally, not a cruise in company. Always has been. If cruisy boats want to sail around the island there are 364 other days a year when they can try.
 
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Ah so you were with Richard then funsize - I'd already had a call with his result ( /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) - sounds like an excellent day and certainly a good finish.

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Yep certainly was!!! The finish, that was good /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif !
 
As I am sure you are aware, there is a world of difference between the dedicated racing man, and the weekend cruiser who once or twice a year wishes to prove to himself that if he really wanted to he could go round the cans like a good'un. Thus the sense of fun, laughter and companionship experienced by the normal cruising life is nearly as important as the actual race itself.
 
Fantastic day. We went for the cruise instead of race and were very chuffed to finish in the time allowed. It was a bit hairy at one point when the TV wouldn't tune in for Dr Who, but no one panicked.

Thanks rhinorhino for the results.
 
Isn't that why there's the IRC group and the ISC group.
The IRC guys are keen enough to go through the cost and hassle of obtaining a formal handicap certificate whilst the ISC lot are happy to race once a year on the basis of a handicap decided by the race organisers.
It all seems to work pretty well IMHO .
 
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