RT prohibited??

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Planning some time in Greece over the winter.
I note in Rod Heikell's "Med cruising handbook" (p116):

"8. In most harbours RT transmission is prohibited ... heavy penalties ... ".

Anyone had any issues with using their hf or vhf?

tia
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Planning some time in Greece over the winter.
I note in Rod Heikell's "Med cruising handbook" (p116):

"8. In most harbours RT transmission is prohibited ... heavy penalties ... ".

Anyone had any issues with using their hf or vhf?

tia
D

First I heared about it ,like everything out here take no notice, it probally to do with the amount of ferry boats entering and leaving ports
 
Planning some time in Greece over the winter.
I note in Rod Heikell's "Med cruising handbook" (p116):

"8. In most harbours RT transmission is prohibited ... heavy penalties ... ".

Anyone had any issues with using their hf or vhf?

tia
D

These prohibitions generally refer to SSB and this ban is more or less universal world wide. I expect most yotties are either unaware or ignore:D:D:D

Some countries include coastal waters as well as harbours. I expect you get told this if you do the course.
 
These prohibitions generally refer to SSB and this ban is more or less universal world wide...

never knew this ... you live and learn (well you live). Been using the hf for years in marinas, harbours ... all over. Must be a tad difficult for most places to monitor/enforce? What is the purpose?

Some countries include coastal waters as well as harbours. I expect you get told this if you do the course.

nope, I was never made aware of this (AFAIR - it was a looooong time ago when I did it) - and the radiotelephony course for marine hf is a fairly practically oriented, if very brief, affair (unlike the amateur ham licence, which I also have).

Thanks for the heads up
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never knew this ... you live and learn (well you live). Been using the hf for years in marinas, harbours ... all over. Must be a tad difficult for most places to monitor/enforce? What is the purpose?



nope, I was never made aware of this (AFAIR - it was a looooong time ago when I did it) - and the radiotelephony course for marine hf is a fairly practically oriented, if very brief, affair (unlike the amateur ham licence, which I also have).

Thanks for the heads up
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I suppose now the long range course has reduced from the 18 months that it originally took ships radio officers to a week or so there are many things which might get glossed over. It is possible that marinas might turn a blind eye but you will find that in general no ships use SSB MF or HF while in port anywhere in the world. I don t think this rule qpplies to VHF so long as it is used in regards to navigation. However I expect some ports might not endorse BarBQ invitations going out on the port control frequency or ship to ship frequencies :D

There is usually reference to these restrictions in the port hand books. Why not get hold of your local port handbook and see what else you are unaware of. They say the reasons are to do with interference however state security may also be a concern. The port limits usually apply so this can mean quite an area of sea is included. One area of interest for Live aboards will be areas such as the Gulf of Suez where Egypt has certain restrictions.

Beware the Pilot books may not be wrong!!!

Mind you our puny 100watts might no get noticed as much as the 1.5kw from a ships radio. It used to amuse me that the output valves in my transceiver were the same valves as in the EXCITER stage of a ship's transmitter supplying the main transmitter valves.
 
Followed this thread with interest.

Advice from officials, in Portugal there are no recognised ship-to-ship channels?

Couple of years back there was a problem in Lagos when the authorities threatened action for using Ch77 for the in-harbour chat channel.

This was resolved by the marina authorities permitting the twice weekly broadcast on Ch 9 the marina working channel - seems to work OK & everybody is happy.
 
Followed this thread with interest.

Advice from officials, in Portugal there are no recognised ship-to-ship channels?

Couple of years back there was a problem in Lagos when the authorities threatened action for using Ch77 for the in-harbour chat channel.

This was resolved by the marina authorities permitting the twice weekly broadcast on Ch 9 the marina working channel - seems to work OK & everybody is happy.


77 is not a chat channel. It is a ship to ship channel but check your licence to see what that means. Yes OK to chat about boat movements but maybe te chats were more about other matters to do with Swimbos diary etc. Do not forget that 77 is a ship to ship channel and all communications should be as brief as possible! Could be others not in the marina wishing to use it and within range.

Mind you there are some places you will get away with using it for chat such as the interior of BC Canada where most of the marine channels and AIS are used by trucking/logging companies etc.


Interesting bed time reading!
http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/ships-radio/samplelicence.pdf
 
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I suppose stray RF could be a legitimate reason :confused: ... but incidents would be very few and far between I'd have thought: the occasional cruiser sending a grib request and such.

I have always asked around other boats'n'folks about ill effects as I've often had reasonably long scheds from the pontoon eg in Falmouth but despite all the lurid tales one hears the only emc issues I've ever had is with the kitchen radio at home when giving it large with me yaesu quadra upstairs.

Marine law regards the pontoon as a ship rather than terra firma, so presumably I have to switch my handheld's frequency at the top of the pontoon from a marine freq to a ham freq? :)

Anyway, now I know.

Don't underestimate the power of our 100w sets compared to the kw++ sets of ships ... some of these qrp guys can perform near miracles on 0.5w :D

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I suppose now the long range course has reduced from the 18 months that it originally took ships radio officers to a week or so there are many things which might get glossed over. It is possible that marinas might turn a blind eye but you will find that in general no ships use SSB MF or HF while in port anywhere in the world. I don t think this rule qpplies to VHF so long as it is used in regards to navigation. However I expect some ports might not endorse BarBQ invitations going out on the port control frequency or ship to ship frequencies :D

There is usually reference to these restrictions in the port hand books. Why not get hold of your local port handbook and see what else you are unaware of. They say the reasons are to do with interference however state security may also be a concern. The port limits usually apply so this can mean quite an area of sea is included. One area of interest for Live aboards will be areas such as the Gulf of Suez where Egypt has certain restrictions.

Beware the Pilot books may not be wrong!!!


Mind you our puny 100watts might no get noticed as much as the 1.5kw from a ships radio. It used to amuse me that the output valves in my transceiver were the same valves as in the EXCITER stage of a ship's transmitter supplying the main transmitter valves.

Your mentioning valves brought a faraway look to my face and tears to my eyes, though that was because I'd drifted off and spilled hot coffee in my lap. I well remember my apprenticeship with Post Office Telephones back in the....well a very long time ago. We used to reckon that with valves if you looked carefully you could even see the electrons moving. Those were the days. :)
 
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Your mentioning valves brought a faraway look to my face and tears to my eyes, though that was because I'd drifted off and spilled hot coffee in my lap. I well remember my apprenticeship with Post Office Telephones back in the....well a very long time ago. We used to reckon that with valves if you looked carefully you could even see the electrons moving. Those were the days. :)

It has that effect on a certain generation. The sight of an RO tuning max and dip with both hands before his sched to Portishead and then the clack of the morse key with a flashing neon strapped to the antenna copper conductor driven by stray rf....... Days bone by :)

What some folk here are forgetting is these international rules were drawn up before the yottie brigade became so proliic. Our transceivers may be miniscule however the rles apply to ships and a countrys rules which may be written to comly with international rules are based on ships equipment.

I expect some marinas may turn a blind eye or be unaware of certain rules however it seems some are not. Maybe the answer if there is a group of UK boats wanting to chat and they have the right equipment is to use M1 and M2as these are not usually monitored ouside of he UK an are not rne channels.
 
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