RSrnYC, River Hamble, Planning Application

[Twister_Ken]

The Royal Southern has applied for permission to build a permanent link to one of its offlying pontoons, thus effectively closing one of the inner channels on the river, and also making any approach to the RAFYC pontoons difficult in strong tides. If you're a river user, you may have views and wish to support or object to the proposal. Details here

 

[brians]

& at Deacons

There are also similar plans at Deacons proceeding in parallel.

 

[flaming]

If that goes ahead, under certain tide and wind conditions mooring in those pens will become a serious spectator sport!

Can see why they want to do that though.

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

http://planningdocs.eastleigh.gov.u...lume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

Hi Ken, I don't know the pontoons well.....
Looking plan view....... are the RAFYC pontoons to the top right?
If so I can see the difficulty as/approach in strong tides.
I bet a bow thruster would help

 

[sarabande]

Comments made.

 

[rwoofer]

They often have a temporary link in there for regattas. Never seems to cause a problem for them or other river users.

Having said that in whenever I'm in an underpowered vessel, I always like to hug the sides to cheat the tide and making this bridge permanent would stop that and force you into the main channel.

 

[Judders]

If that goes ahead, under certain tide and wind conditions mooring in those pens will become a serious spectator sport!

Can see why they want to do that though.

No worse than next door at Port Hamble.

I once had to put FR alongside the temporary bridge during just those conditions with a uge gallery and pulled it off with aplomb, much to my relief... sadly there were even more people watching when I cocked up getting off the following morning.

 

[Twister_Ken]

They often have a temporary link in there for regattas. Never seems to cause a problem for them or other river users.

They're limited to doing this 28 days a year, usually during major championships so that crews can get to and fro without overloading the ferry service. Plans for a permanent link look a bit like creating a private marina for members, and to hell with everybody else.

 

[RobbieW]

They often have a temporary link in there for regattas. Never seems to cause a problem for them or other river users.

Depends on your perspective, as a regular user of the RAFYC pontoon and long keel boat owner which I've not so far made go backwards in a straight line the temporary links caused me a problem.

Looking plan view....... are the RAFYC pontoons to the top right?

The RAF pontoon is the one above the legend "main club landing pontoon" in diagram 2 of the application

 

[Sans Bateau]

Its Royal Southern not RAFYC, isnt it?

 

[Resolution]

I beleive the Deacons proposals have already been refused. The river up there is a lot more restricted than down at the Southern/RAFYC bit of the river bank.
The argument against the Deacons "links2 was that the main channel is pretty narrow, with a number of motor boats using the main channel under the bridge. This leaves little room for canoeists or dinghies who therefore "need" the side channels to be safe. Note that canoeists do not pay any river dues, unlike the rest of us who keep boats in the river, but hey, they are green and probably live nearby and elect the councillors who decide these planning matters.

Back downstream, the river is much wider and virtually no-one uses the side channels through the Southern pontoon fingers except Southern and RAFYC members. As mentioned earlier, the Port Hamble marina sticks out far enough to deter through traffic. I cannot see that the proposal will inconvenience any third parties, and it would certainly enable the three pontoons to be even better used.
But I should declare an interest in that I am a member of the Southern.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Its Royal Southern not RAFYC, isnt it?

Yes. But the RAFYC is immediately upstream. Approaching the RAF pontoon against the ebb (which can run quite fast) normally you'd creep past the Southern stemming the tide and easy-peasy. If the Southern gets its way, that's no longer going to be possible and to get to the RAF you'll need a quick squirt x-tide followed by a very smart round-up and brakes. I can already hear the splintering of GRP.

 

[Sans Bateau]

Sorry, I'm doing dim! I was thinking of Gins Farm! The RSYC! (rather than the R&SYC)

(even got the bloody river wrong!)

 

[Lady Campanula]

Yes. But the RAFYC is immediately upstream. Approaching the RAF pontoon against the ebb (which can run quite fast) normally you'd creep past the Southern stemming the tide and easy-peasy. If the Southern gets its way, that's no longer going to be possible and to get to the RAF you'll need a quick squirt x-tide followed by a very smart round-up and brakes. I can already hear the splintering of GRP.

I was considering 'family membership' of the RAFYC earlier this year, and was made confident of a berth for a long-keel 27-footer. I got wind of this RSYC application and, for the reason mentioned by TK above, thought I'd wait and see......

 

[volvopaul]

I'm a hamble river berth holder, just north of Deacons and know exactly how strong the tides can run up there, I also have a 4.5 m air draft so have to navigate when the tide is usually always running to get under the a27 bridge, mercury is another Marina where the tide can be so embarrassing should you get it wrong.

Personally I cannot see why making the pontoon a walk ashore would create any problems, it would certainly make it safer for berth holders to access there boats rather than relying on water taxis or small rowing boats that can capsize when overloaded with the weekends cruising gear.

Another idea would be to shuffle around more suited boats like twin engined craft to fit in the moorings where there is only one way access, everything can be debated I for one would be saying yes to it if I were a member, I have a friend who is a member he says what a great club it is.

 

[Twister_Ken]

I for one would be saying yes to it if I were a member, I have a friend who is a member he says what a great club it is.

Good deal for club members, PITA for lots of others though. Apparently the RSrnYC has permission to put a lifting walkway across to the midstream pontoon, but has never done it. Trying to get away with the cheaper option instead.

 

[RobbieW]

Good deal for club members, PITA for lots of others though. Apparently the RSrnYC has permission to put a lifting walkway across to the midstream pontoon, but has never done it. Trying to get away with the cheaper option instead.

Permission from the Harbourmaster, yes - but not planning permission. The need for planning permission is contentious, in the past Eastliegh have said its required & the Southern believe it isnt (ref http://www.eastleigh.gov.uk/meetings/documents/s2724/Report.pdf).

 

[Seven Spades]

No one goes between the Southern pontoons it is too narrow. A permeant connection will make no difference to the RAF nor anyone else. The Southern pontoons are well inshore of Port Hamble Marina so to describe the water between them as a channel is stretching things.

 

[Sandyskip]

I use that little channel quite regularly, I guess as long as the R Sn YC members don't mind getting other river users embedded in their boats on a spring tide.......

 

[IanR]

No one goes between the Southern pontoons it is too narrow. A permeant connection will make no difference to the RAF nor anyone else. The Southern pontoons are well inshore of Port Hamble Marina so to describe the water between them as a channel is stretching things.

Seven Spades, I am not sure where you get your evidence from, but if you look at the planning site you will see that the Southern's own limited (Sept /Oct) data points to in excess of 4000 boat movements a year through the channel. The RAFYC has had its pontoon in this location since 1967 and blocking the channel has had serious safety implications even on a temporary basis with a number of logged incidents. This affects any user who uses that area, Fuel pontoon, A pontoon MDL , RAFYC and even the Southern boats themselves who wish to manoeuvre in that area.

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