Revolutions, Mass Rallies et al....

[PerlMac]

Don't some of you talk a load of crap!
Those of you saying we should have bought a diesel boat entirely miss the point and that is, DISCRIMINATION!! No government should be allowed to class one half (perhaps it's two-thirds??) of the boating LEISURE section as Working boats and the remaining section purely leisure because of what fuel they use. Also take exception to Oldgit referring to our twin powerful V6's as 'lawn mower's' !! There ain't anything sad about our engines and they sound a great deal better than some of your 'tractors' anyday. (and they'll outrun you.....)
We purchased this boat with EYES WIDE OPEN. Having done our sums, we can, should we wish, run it on petrol for nearly 9 YEARS, 8 hours a day, 34 weeks a year, for the amount of money we saved over a diesel alternative.

 

[boatone]

errrrr......why does this need to be a new thread.........isnt the original one good enough ?

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[byron]

Now there's a good start, steam into the Forum telling all and sundry that if they don't agree with your views then they are talking crap.
Welcome to the forum
Hope you find petrol freely available where-ever you are and that you never catch fire.

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[boatone]

Re: Talking a load of.......

Oh poo ......just had a quick look at your profile and see you've listed hobbies as Cars, motorbikes, dogs, boats in that order.........not sure this demonstrates enough commitment to boats for you to start threatening revolution and mass rallies at this stage......will have to consider calling the special panel into plenary session to decide wots to be done............
Please stand by while I consult with Byron, Syd, Cutey, tcm, Forbsie, hlb (including Harry) and co.......(mutter, mutter.......... I dont believe it.....)

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[sailbadthesinner]

crikey
NO NEED TO SHOUT



Come on brain.get this over and i can go back to killing you with beer

 

[Divemaster1]

Welcome to the Forum and congratulations on your purchase in September.

Agree with you in principle, there should be duty free petrol available somehow....(but of course you could convert to LPG to reduce running cost and receive some tax advantage ....). Un-fortunately we, (at least not me as I am not allowed to vote in this country), are not policy makers, and if we were, boating would probably be much cheaper, and would include reduced duty on petrol... (cheaper to run the outboard for the dinghy you see).

On the safety issue, I do not recall frequent accidents / incidents with petrol engined boats over the last five years, indicating that, subject to appropriate safety measures, they are perfectly safe. Personally I would prefer diesel, old fashioned perhaps, but as I am looking for something in the 40 -50 foot range, the running cost becomes somewhat scary and my options with manufacturers are limited.

Most important is that you are having fun...............whilst relaxing in the boating environment...

AHM

 

[syd]

Re: Ere we go again..

NM

 

[KevL]

In order to make the system fair what do you propose?

As I see your argument there are two possibilities.

1, The Government reclassify your petrol boat as a workboat and drop the duty on petrol for boats, in which case you really will be laughing.

2, The Government regulates the supply of diesel used for leisure boats and adds duty to it. In which case about eighty percent of this forum will be more than a bit miffed.

Now I can’t see 1 happening can you? I mean I’m not sure a Rinky dink would be much good at trawling and god knows where you’d store the fish you caught. So, rightly or wrongly, the only option your argument can support is that you want to increase the price of fuel for most of us and you want us to support you in this?

Am I missing something here?

KevL


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[omega2]

If we oil burners talk about this proposition too much some one will take us up on it, who knows who is reading the forum. Let it drop, and admire the speed and expense of a high octane boat as it roars past you.

J HAMER

 

[adarcy]

Re: Welcome

Pearl

Welcome to the forum.

Excuse me but I'm having a little difficulty understanding your problem

<<We purchased this boat with EYES WIDE OPEN. Having done our sums>> and
<<for the amount of money we saved over a diesel alternative. >>

Have you changed your mind already or do you now wish to do down those who have invested more to have cheaper running costs? It seems a little churlish to try and change the playing field after you have made your own choice and inflict the change on others. If it was the other way round, I wonder what your language would be like.

I do hope you still think you are getting value for money in your boating, regardless of what others are doing.

Best wishes

Anthony

 

[BarryH]

How to make friends and influence people! Still the profile says it all "a lot to learn"

 

[Col]

PerlMac - the artist formally known as macspinners

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[LeytonC]

Take the blue pill...

When I made the comment about fuel in leaners thread, i ment it as a joke.
and not to cause offense to anyone, i know we all talk crap here but we (mostly)
dont mean to upset people. I am sorry.

Now lets all be friends again, please?



Thanks

Leyton
(River Severn / Bristol Channel)

 

[oldgit]

Some Sums

8 hours @ 10 GPH = 80 gal (Prob need to be at at idle most of time I would think)
7 days x 80 gals = 560 gals per week
34 weeks x 560 gals = 19,040 gals
9 years x 19,040 = 171.360 gals

171.360 gals petrol @ 3.50 per gal 599.760. quid
" diesel @ 1.13 " " 193.636 . quids
406.124 . quids saved QED.

And here is the weekend weather..

 

[hlb]

Re: Race Relations

Maybe you should take your case to the race relations board. It does indeed seem, that the petrol race is treated very unfairly by the government as opposed to the diesel race. However I do object to Muckyfarters engine being described as Tractor engines. Where, as it is well known that modern tractor engines are some of the most powerfull and reliable engines in the world. I am sure this is not what you were attempting to infer. I also object to your references to lawnmower engines. Having at great expence, may I add. Purchased, a very fine model of the affore said item.

May I further say. I totaly reject the notion that my esteemed bretheran of the panel. Talk crap. All though it might very well be true!!/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[longjohnsilver]

Light the blue touch paper...........

You seem to enjoy stimulating a debate which you and we know is total crap, unfortunately as oldgit has already pointed out your argument really makes no sense. On your figures assuming you use 10 gals per hour (very conservative for a pair of V6's) and petrol costs of £4 per gal then your total running costs over the 9 years will be almost £700,000 as compared to the equivalent diesels of about £100,000.

The conclusion therefore must be that as you have paid almost a million quid for a 26' boat then maybe you've been seen off.............................................

or maybe you've got your sums wrong, praps put the decimals in all the wrong places.

Oh one point you're correct on, no doubt your petrols will outspeed most equivalent diesels, but would put lots of money on the fact that the diesels will still be running long after your petrols have gone to the great engine graveyard in the sky, particularly withh the 17,000+ hours you seem to plan on running them!!!

Maybe you should get a trawler, you certainly seem to plan on using it more than most trawlermen I know!

 

[BarryH]

Re: Light the blue touch paper...........

Now I'm really going to stir it. I'll don my flameproof suit first. Cost of fuel. This topic seems to always come up from time to time along with the petrol vs diesel thing. Now, I cant see everyone being as tight as.....well you work it out.

I've been boating since, well lets just say long enough. The cost of fuel thing has never really been an issue for me. I just take it as read that if I want to use a boat its one of the costs. Most of you on here run a car, The fuel that gets put in one of those far outwieghs the amount put in a boat thats used for an avereage amount of hours per year. Yet its taken as the norm that a car will be filled maybe twice a week. Not many people bat an eyelid at that. So lets all stop arguing/moaning about fuel costs and start enjoying boating. The old addage, If you need to ask you can't afford it, thing springs to mind. Its a hobby people, quality time, R&R. These things cost, get over it. Compared to other aspects of life its cheap. Look at raising a kid for example!

So can we please please stop it! I run a petrol boat it costs buckets, so what. I get more out of it, using it and meeting people through it. Don't think about the cost of fuel, it'll only depress you, just use it and enjoy it.

Rant Over.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Light the blue touch paper...........

Totally agree

Though do get aggrieved when gin palace puts in 3 zillion gallons diesel, claims bulk discount, and pays 3 quid for the lot! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

 

[Nick2]

Re: Light the blue touch paper...........

I agree with Brendan agreeing with BarryH etc etc...
Just feel that this forum can sometimes get a bit downbeat with costs of boating rather than the many pleasures of it. I use this forum to participate with other like minded enthusiasts rather than some economics cost analysis group.
For us the boat is a real luxury for which I work hard for in my business and I admit that with regard to expenses I have to just get on with it because so far ends have met and we ENJOY OUR BOAT so there !!

Perhaps there should be an economic forum ?

Nick

My boat is here in time for winter....

 

[hlb]

Re: Light the blue touch paper...........

Agree with you. Dont really care what is spent on boat. As long as life and sole is kept together. And can buy the odd house now and then. Otherwise do not give a toss how much it costs.

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