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Buying a 2003/4 7m boat single KAD32

Had my survey report back yesterday with notes on the following -

Belts noisey when supercharger comes in, no negative comments on power down (although since underused engine a bit tight) or overheating.

All anodes need replacing

Trim tab mounting plate bolts corroded (because anodes need replacing!)

Cooker won't start (but looks servicable, prob never used)

Engine and outdrive need full service as due in schedule

What if any are reasonable to renegotiate on and what should I expect to pay for myself once it's mine?

Cheers,

Steve.
 
Probably the easiest thing to do is agree with the vendor that the work needs doing, and then either ask that he completes it to your satisfaction prior to hand over or ask for the estimated cost deducted from the asking price.

A service is retrospective i.e. you use the boat, then service it, so the service is due for HIS use of the boat, not yours (that will be next years service) - so IMHO this is something the vendor should pay for.

Ditto the Annodes (which are part of the service anyway)

Belts again form part of the service.

Trim tab bolts are so minor it doesn't really matter, but he might as well do them as a show of good faith (whats it going to cost, £20?)

Check that the surveyor understood how to start the cooker, this may just be down to user error /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All in, it looks like the boat just needs a thorough service, for which I would deduct £1000-£1200, which should easily cover a full service including the annodes. Beleive it or not, this is not much at all to come back from a survey.
 
Full Engine and outdrive service is approx£1100 + £150 lift out. Need new bolts £25 +£50 Labour. Cooker will be the heating start plug (Nearest dealer is Leicestershire) could be a few £100.

Then you need antifoul etc.

You should allow £1600. You will, however, be lucky to get this off the price as it is general maintenance.

When I got mine a service (outdrive and Engine) and new antifoul was done. Also had it fully polished up. This was in June so it saved me £1500. If I was you I would insist the Owner gets it done, although he seems a little sloppy and it is a question of IF you trust him! (as he has not maintained the boat thus far)

Good Luck

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Trim tab mounting plate bolts corroded (because anodes need replacing!)


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something wrong here - the anodes are to protect the alloy in the leg not stainless (I assume) bolts/screws. Much more likely to be some other corrosion issue and just a matter of replacing - this may be a slighty time consuming issue if the heads are shot or the shank fails and snaps off but at the end of the day it's no great shakes.

If the anodes are compleltly shot then the drive material may have suffered - as they look shot and he's said they're shot it's reasonable to assume the survayor thought of this and is happy there's no damage.

so overall it's pennies, consumables and nothing you didn't know about when making an offer except the bolts and cooker. So I would ask for the bolts to be replaced and the cooker to be working before I took delivery - no real grounds for any deductions from an agreed price.
 
ah well that's a different angle on things I suppose - couldn't me coming at it from more different directions if we had set out to.

Makes a change from all that agreeing with you recently!

I had always thought that pre survey you negotiated price on known items and issues - post survey you adjusted for what is found that wasn't previously priced in.

And yes I appreciate that surveys are your speciallity subject......... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
hmm, yes, well I tend to agree (I know, I know, broing innit) that the renogtiation is for items highlighted by the survey, but I for one can't tell if an engine/drive need servicing and comission the surveyor to tell me this.

If the price has been agreed for a boat that is 'ready to go', then the service is, IMHO, a renegotiable item.
 
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I for one can't tell if an engine/drive need servicing

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here there is no suggestion it needs servicing other than it's scheduled servicing - which is as due now as it was before the survey.............

how about we agree that you could try it on under 'the survayor has highlighted that it's overdue for a service which will include new anodes etc and cost about X'. As everything else is minor may I suggest a final price of............y-1/2X or whatever.

I would be prepared to compromise on the agreed price pretty quickly though if I thought the boat was well priced before and with a clean survey like that.
 
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I for one can't tell if an engine/drive need servicing

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Ouch!

Though I guess I left myself open for that one /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Agree with you, life is, after all, a compromise.
 
Id agree.. you have some responsbility when looking at the boat;the surveyor is pointing out at a professional level that "layman" might not be expected to, or be able to, spot.Generally boat servicing is at the beginning of the season for the coming season. Cant see why the seller should be paying for your boating;same with anodes etc. Unless it was described as already done. Jez.. those prices are for twin installations, are they?
 
No, I reckon a FULL leg service, engine service inc filters (both fuel and Air), belts and oils/fluids, Annodes and the lift in/out would come to about £1000 for a single engine installation.

You can get it done for less, but on a new (to you) boat, the most sensible thing is to get as full a service as possible done to ensure uniterupted pleasure of your new toy.

And before any clever comments, hindsight is a wonderful thing...

edit Wohoo - that is post 2000. God I need to get out more /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
sorry, yes that was with leg service. Quite what do they do on the leg for all that money?Change a few rubber boots and ...?
 
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No, I reckon a FULL leg service, engine service inc filters (both fuel and Air), belts and oils/fluids, Annodes and the lift in/out would come to about £1000 for a single engine installation.

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I would want it antifouled and polished as well for that amount.
 
Takeing it off accounts for alot of the work. My boat is living proof that a £30 bellows can cost a lot more. If the monkey who owned my boat before me had done regular leg services, I wouldn't have had to replace the shaft and bellhousing at a cost of over £1000.
 
just looking at something with twin 44s, and you re giving me the willies if its going to well the other side of £2k to get the engines and legs done (if the legs need it)
 
Ah, well - the best person to speak to is Col - he lurks around here somewhere and will pop his head above the parapet soon enough.

Don't forget, most annual services will come in under this figure, but this assumes you need the following:

New set of Annodes
New Bellows (leg off for this)
Oil change in the leg
Oil change in the engine
New Fuel Filters
New Oil Filters
New Air Filters
New Belts
Tappit adjustment (every 200 hours on KAD engines)

on each engine. In reality this is probably only required every three seasons or so (assuming 50 ish hours a year).

And that would be Volvo main agent prices. Sorry to scare the wotsits out of you, but it was a worst case scenario type thing.

All the problems with my boat inc parts and service isn't going to be much more than 2500, and there are some lumpy bits in there! Mine are twin KAD 43's, just to compare.
 
averaged over say 6 years including scheduled 'lumpy bits' that's probably reasonable.

lifts can be significant so iti depends on whether you factor that against engine/leg service or annual boat maintenance ie most get it lifted for a clean and antifoul overwinter and get the engines an legs serviced at the same time.

I reckon on £250 a year in parts for the engine and drive - and £150 of that is anodes!
 
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And yes I appreciate that surveys are your speciallity subject

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So when are you wiseguys going to publish a list of Who's Who so that we newbie's know whom to ask - and more important, who not to contradict!
 
Re: Specialists Subjects

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So when are you wiseguys going to publish a list of Who's Who so that we newbie's know whom to ask - and more important, who not to contradict!

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you have 766 posts !!! when do you consider yourself not a newbie?
 
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