rescue insurance for mountaineers in Scotland - why not for us sailors too?

dylanwinter

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insurance for mountaineers is now on the agenda


you and yours - an organisation second only to the daily mail when it comes to good journalism - ran an item about complusory insurance for mountaineers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0171mkj

and why shouldn't we pay for compulsory insurance?

- Bristows will certainly know the cost of every rescue

- and I am sure that HMG would like to find a way of putting the costs onto those who take these stupid risks by going out in the snow in the mountains or storms at sea in small boats

this is the woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy-Grace_Elder
 
dylanwinter said:
insurance for mountaineers is now on the agenda


you and yours - an organisation second only to the daily mail when it comes to good journalism - ran an item about complusory insurance for mountaineers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0171mkj

and why shouldn't we pay for compulsory insurance?

- Bristows will certainly know the cost of every rescue

- and I am sure that HMG would like to find a way of putting the costs onto those who take these stupid risks by going out in the snow in the mountains or storms at sea in small boats

this is the woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy-Grace_Elder
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Mountian rescue teams don't want it.

What would seriously happen if it was brought in - does anyone imagine people would be left to die?

You and Yours once again have not a clue...
 
What are you going to do -not rescue people who have no insurance-a typical urbanite idea!Of course you could stop people going to sea by mining all landing spots around the UKand shooting anyone who tries without rescue insurance;Similarly you could put a wire fence around the mountains which I for one would remove from my back garden which backs onto wilderness.Perhaps we could insist that when you have a serious car accident you provide your Credit Card details before being dug out of your car and taken to Hospital
 
It was only that stupid ex MSP, ex journalist, ex anything Dorothy G E, trying to get her name noticed again. Just ignore.
 
I heard the lady who has suggested this speaking on the BBC. The insurance is not for the costs of being rescued. She thinks all mountaineers should be compelled to have accident and life insurance.
Yet more useless, unenforceable regulation that won't work. She is trying to help people who don't want help, they just want to get on with their sport and accept the risks.
 
dylanwinter said:
insurance for mountaineers is now on the agenda


you and yours - an organisation second only to the daily mail when it comes to good journalism - ran an item about complusory insurance for mountaineers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0171mkj

and why shouldn't we pay for compulsory insurance?

- Bristows will certainly know the cost of every rescue

- and I am sure that HMG would like to find a way of putting the costs onto those who take these stupid risks by going out in the snow in the mountains or storms at sea in small boats

this is the woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy-Grace_Elder
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You really do love the sensationalist bullsh** journalism don't you.
 
As long as rescue is funded by volunteer contributions to the RNLI then that's fine.
If it gets funded by insurance companies from subs paid by those participating this also fine.

However, if any of the money comes from taxpayers via the bumbling idiots responsible for collecting taxes then that isn't fine IMHO.

It seems to me that those who scream loudest for taxpayer funded services are nearly always those who pay the least tax.
 
Oh no it's not... (I am sure the pantomime season is over)

Clearly a slow news day. Somebody thinks there have been a high number of deaths in Scottish Mountaineering this winter, the articular below might be interesting reading

http://emj.bmj.com/content/20/3/281.full.pdf

As an ex-MRT member I would not want insurance for mountaineers, better training is always the way. Knowing when to stay in the pub is the best training out.
 
People who go to the mountains in winter take their own risk as do the mountain rescue teams who volunteer to go and drag them off the hill when it goes pear shaped.

The rescuers are well trained, motivated and equipped - often the folk they rescue are not.

Darwinism takes care of a lot of the muppets and the rescuers get to feel good about the ones they save.

Seems to work OK as is.
 
wadget said:
I'm saying you don't have an argument because it is based on poor journalism instead of facts.
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it is the opinion of a former SNP

she has put it on the agenda - not me

it is on the BBC, it is in the newspapers

she has a point... why should the scots pay for all the welsh and english who wish to go to scotland to risk their lives in themountains

it seems like an interesting topic to discuss among sailors -

why should be expect the state to pay for helicopters that are sent out at great expense to rescue us

made all the more interesting given the privatisation of SARS

it seems a shame if you wish to denigrate me for raising a subject on this forum

Norman S dismissed the story in a sensible way

and take a look at ex-solent boys post

his post suggests that he wants the state to keep out of SARS

he too addressed the subject

this is an open forum and you are allowed to play the man if you wish

I just pointed out that you did

no harm done.
 
dylanwinter said:
it is the opinion of a former SNP

she has put it on the agenda - not me

it is on the BBC, it is in the newspapers

she has a point... why should the scots pay for all the welsh and english who wish to go to scotland to risk their lives in themountains

it seems like an interesting topic to discuss among sailors -

why should be expect the state to pay for helicopters that are sent out at great expense to rescue us

made all the more interesting given the privatisation of SARS

it seems a shame if you wish to denigrate me for raising a subject on this forum

Norman S dismissed the story in a sensible way

and take a look at ex-solent boys post

his post suggests that he wants the state to keep out of SARS

he too addressed the subject

this is an open forum and you are allowed to play the man if you wish

I just pointed out that you did

no harm done.
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But Dylan, as a number of people have pointed out there really isn't a problem, and compulsory insurance is certainly not an answer. Nobody wants to introduce a system of paying for helicopter rescue etc. It is perfectly true that English climbers tend to be over represented in the casualty lists for Scotland's hills, but as was mentioned in the clip that's got a lot to do with the time, effort and petrol they put into getting here. In iffy conditions the locals who have only driven for an hour or so are more likely to just go to the pub instead - they can always come back the following week.

Why ex politicians want to construct a complex and pointless nonsense is beyond me.
 
dylanwinter said:
it is the opinion of a former SNP

she has put it on the agenda - not me

it is on the BBC, it is in the newspapers

she has a point... why should the scots pay for all the welsh and english who wish to go to scotland to risk their lives in themountains

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She certainly does have a point, in fact three very good bullet points in the article you have linked, but the point she makes is not that the Scots shouldn't pay (presumably to rescue) for "all the welsh and English" who risk their lives in the mountains. Her point is about climbers accepting responsibility for their safety.
 
RadiumRob said:
She certainly does have a point, in fact three very good bullet points in the article you have linked, but the point she makes is not that the Scots shouldn't pay (presumably to rescue) for "all the welsh and English" who risk their lives in the mountains. Her point is about climbers accepting responsibility for their safety.
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she made the point on the BBC radio clip at the top

she was also on newsnight Scotland and that fine newspaper the Telegraph

it is interesting... change the word maountaineer to sailor and the same logic applies

I read somewhere that the Bristows contract is worth 1.5 billion

I have no idea what proportion of seafarers they rescue will be us sailors as opposed to professional seafarers .... but I can see the logic that the costs of rescue in a high risk sport should not be covered by the whole of society but by the participants

- and besides - sailors are even richer than mountaineers and can pay- some might say that the 1.5 billion passing from the tax payer to Bristows is basically a subsidy for rich men.

Dylan
 
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