Repairing spreader brackets

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I have unstepped my mast for a full re-rig and repairs to the mast-step. With the mast down I've had the opportunity to inspect it carefully and discovered two broken spreader brackets are cracked/broken. Here is a picture of the part:

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Before I go around asking machinists/welders for their opinions I'd like the forum's input on what a reliable repair might look like. The part looks like cast aluminium. In assessing my options I've come up with the following:

1. Just get the break welded: I imagine this can be done, but will the fix be strong enough? I imagine the part will have to be anodized to protect the weld.
2. Get the part welded, and get the welder to fill the circled area with material. Again, I'll probably need to get the part re-anodized.
3. Get a machinist to make me aluminium inserts that fit with some precision into the circled area. Get the inserts anodized and glue them with 5200 or something into the circled area to add strength. This has the advantage that I won't have to remove the remaining three brackets from the mast, and allows me to reinforce the remaining two brackets that haven't cracked (yet).
4. Fill the circled area with epoxy or something, and get new pieces cast and anodized. A friend of mine tried this with his stanchion bases (sand casting), and the resultant parts were of rather low quality and needed significant rework (welding & lathing) to make them usable. However this approach looks like it might yield "better than new" parts, reinforced in the weak spot, if the casting is done well.

Regarding replacement: I have talked to ZSpars UK who have been very responsive and keen to help (thanks Matthew!), but unfortunately don't have spares to supply. I am still trying to track down new/used parts from other sources. However, the fact that two out of four brackets have these cracks points to a design weakness that is likely shared by any replacement parts. It's a 40 year old part, so it's done pretty well for itself, but perhaps a good repair in this case will make it stronger than it was originally.
 

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Looking at the picture the black line on the mast suggests that the pull of the spreader has been fore & aft which has stressed the leg of the fitting. If that is the case then one might ask if the pivot should not be rotated 90 degrees thus allowing the mast to move fore & aft without stressing it. The spreader tip does not need to go up & down once it has been set in the correct location on the shroud.
So, would it not be worth having another discussion with Z spars about this.

You could get one welded up in stainless. It is only a plate with a pair of angle brackets to take the pivot part.
Sit it on a very thin nylon pad or gasket
 

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Thanks for the suggestion but the part is not that simple, there's a pocket in it for attaching the shrouds.

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I'm not sure what could have caused the fore & aft movement. With the shrouds untensioned there is a lot of play in the spreader (as in several cm at the end of the spreader). I sent ZSpars a video of this and they commented that it does look excessive but shouldn't be a cause of concern once the rigging is tensioned. I admit that the rigging has been too loose for as long as I've owned the boat, and presumably a few years before that, so perhaps the loose rigging allowed back and forth movement of the spreader leading to fatigue in the bracket.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion but the part is not that simple, there's a pocket in it for attaching the shrouds.

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Clearly that complicates it as we only had part of the info. However, if that was mine I feel sure that i could fabricate something. I am certain a decent fabricator could do it for you. It is just a bit of channel, on a plate with 2 lugs
 

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At least on this rig the shrouds are clamped onto the spreader ends. This sets the angle of the spreader to the mast. Ideally the wire should clamped at a point such that the spreader bisects the angle made by the rigging, which results in purely compressive forces on the spreader. That's the theory. There are some practicalities I don't understand but I'd rather not derail this thread with them -- I'll probably be troubling the forum again when the time comes to step the mast again.


Is the other fractured bracket one of the pair? on the same side? or on the other spreader?

The picture is from an upper spreader, one of the lowers is cracked as well.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion but the part is not that simple, there's a pocket in it for attaching the shrouds.

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I'm not sure what could have caused the fore & aft movement. With the shrouds untensioned there is a lot of play in the spreader (as in several cm at the end of the spreader). I sent ZSpars a video of this and they commented that it does look excessive but shouldn't be a cause of concern once the rigging is tensioned. I admit that the rigging has been too loose for as long as I've owned the boat, and presumably a few years before that, so perhaps the loose rigging allowed back and forth movement of the spreader leading to fatigue in the bracket.
Years ago there was a problem with my spreaders and stays attachment. The solution back then (between Kemps / Selden and my rigger) was for new spreader brackets just above the stays. The rig is a basic one and over engineered as the boat is from the mid 1970's

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I admit that the rigging has been too loose for as long as I've owned the boat, and presumably a few years before that,
Well this probably hasn't helped the situation... looking at your photo, I would feel inclined to get an opinion of a specialist aluminium welder (Car cylinder heads or propeller repair) as to the best repair and strengthening.
 

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I *think* it's on the other side but I really have to double-check. I won't be back to the boat until next week. What are you thinking?
Well initially going by your photo I was thinking maybe it was a poor casting batch, but now with maybe more stress due to incorrect rigging tension it's an mmmmm ? Maybe twisting?
It looks to be quite a substantial design bracket and I wondered why the stress is only affected that area, maybe there's another fracture unnoticed?
 

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Well initially going by your photo I was thinking maybe it was a poor casting batch, but now with maybe more stress due to incorrect rigging tension it's an mmmmm ? Maybe twisting?
It looks to be quite a substantial design bracket and I wondered why the stress is only affected that area, maybe there's another fracture unnoticed?

This is the same bracket from another angle. The opposing tang is also cracked at roughly the same location. I've visually inspected the rest of the structure as well and can't see any other cracks. I haven't dye tested it though.

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This is the same bracket from another angle. The opposing tang is also cracked at roughly the same location. I've visually inspected the rest of the structure as well and can't see any other cracks. I haven't dye tested it though.

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From that photo it would lean closer to DB 's first suggestion in post two, stress caused by excessive fwd/aft mast movement.
 

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Not up & down & you will see lots of rigs where the tip is held structurally by 2 part rigging.
Agree to a point, all masts and rigging have to have a degree of flexibility in all directions, even spreaders fixed at the tip
exert pressure/force in different directions.
eg. under full rag on a beam reach the windward shrouds will be tension and leeward less tension thus the arc of the mast will differ from the arc of the shroud.
 

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Wouldn’t the simplest solution be to replace the brackets with new? If they last another 40 years I, for one, won’t be around to suggest a better solution!
 

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Sure, that would be the simplest solution. Unfortunately as explained in my first post I haven't been able to source new replacements. I haven't given up the search, but I'm not optimistic that I will find any.
 
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