Removing mark from Cherrywood panel

[crazy4557]

I have a mark on a cherrywood panel on a Fairline boat I'm buying and am looking for advice on how to deal with it.
It can only be described as a burn/heat mark about 25mm square, the lacquer has no imperfections that you can feel and is not broken at all. It looks as if a lamp has gently scorched the panel underneath the gloss finish and the colour of the wood has changed and become discoloured.
Is it possible to get this 'polished out' or are we realistically looking at a replacement panel?

Any advice would be appreciated....sorry but I don't have a picture to make it easier to understand.

 

[stelican]

I have a mark on a cherrywood panel on a Fairline boat I'm buying and am looking for advice on how to deal with it.
It can only be described as a burn/heat mark about 25mm square, the lacquer has no imperfections that you can feel and is not broken at all. It looks as if a lamp has gently scorched the panel underneath the gloss finish and the colour of the wood has changed and become discoloured.
Is it possible to get this 'polished out' or are we realistically looking at a replacement panel?

Any advice would be appreciated....sorry but I don't have a picture to make it easier to understand.

Find a local French Polisher (not a nationality) and he should be able to disguise it with wax and laquer it wont disappear but your eye will not be drawn to it,Alternative new panel but then theres the colour match problem. Where is the boat

 

[jfm]

I have a mark on a cherrywood panel on a Fairline boat I'm buying and am looking for advice on how to deal with it.
It can only be described as a burn/heat mark about 25mm square, the lacquer has no imperfections that you can feel and is not broken at all. It looks as if a lamp has gently scorched the panel underneath the gloss finish and the colour of the wood has changed and become discoloured.
Is it possible to get this 'polished out' or are we realistically looking at a replacement panel?

Any advice would be appreciated....sorry but I don't have a picture to make it easier to understand.

Depends where it is. Best solution if it's in a sutable place is fit something over it or into it. Like a lights dimmer sw, or a new hifi speaker, or the carve/mark plate, or a barometer, or something. I've no idea what would make sense, without knowing the location of the busted panel, but you might be able to think of something

Failing that I'd buy a new panel from FL, thru Essex Boatyards (as official parts supplier). Fixing it means sanding back .5mm thick lacquer (8 coats iirc) then sanding out the burn hoping the 0.5mm thick cherry veneer is thick enough, then building back the 8 layers of lacquer. Urgh. Life is too short for such buggring about - much easier to buy a new panel imho.

If you're buying from Essex Boatyards they make matching panels for FL gloss cherry perfectly. But it's labour intensive stuff and I doubt they'd want to take the job on if you're not buying the boat from them

 

[crazy4557]

Depends where it is. Best solution if it's in a sutable place is fit something over it or into it. Like a lights dimmer sw, or a new hifi speaker, or the carve/mark plate, or a barometer, or something. I've no idea what would make sense, without knowing the location of the busted panel, but you might be able to think of something

Failing that I'd buy a new panel from FL, thru Essex Boatyards (as official parts supplier). Fixing it means sanding back .5mm thick lacquer (8 coats iirc) then sanding out the burn hoping the 0.5mm thick cherry veneer is thick enough, then building back the 8 layers of lacquer. Urgh. Life is too short for such buggring about - much easier to buy a new panel imho.

If you're buying from Essex Boatyards they make matching panels for FL gloss cherry perfectly. But it's labour intensive stuff and I doubt they'd want to take the job on if you're not buying the boat from them

Not an EBY boat so I'll try and find some way of covering as you suggest. It's the big panel on the right behind the sofa on a Phantom 46, the mark is just behind the right hand helm seat. If it was small I would have just looked at replacing....

BTW did you get my pm?

 

[fergie_mac66]

tromploy

Find a local French Polisher (not a nationality) and he should be able to disguise it with wax and laquer it wont disappear but your eye will not be drawn to it,Alternative new panel but then theres the colour match problem. Where is the boat

Depends how dark the scorch is and what the finish is .
If its a standard laquer might be possible for good french polisher to do a bit of "tromloy" but a good one will cost,to do a good disguise if its an acid catalist two pack laquer less likely that a good job can be done.

Depends where it is. Best solution if it's in a sutable place is fit something over it or into it. Like a lights dimmer sw, or a new hifi speaker, or the carve/mark plate, or a barometer, or something. I've no idea what would make sense, without knowing the location of the busted panel, but you might be able to think of something

Failing that I'd buy a new panel from FL, thru Essex Boatyards (as official parts supplier). Fixing it means sanding back .5mm thick lacquer (8 coats iirc) then sanding out the burn hoping the 0.5mm thick cherry veneer is thick enough, then building back the 8 layers of lacquer. Urgh. Life is too short for such buggring about - much easier to buy a new panel imho.

If you're buying from Essex Boatyards they make matching panels for FL gloss cherry perfectly. But it's labour intensive stuff and I doubt they'd want to take the job on if you're not buying the boat from them

covering is a good option if you can

polisher might prefer to do a sand job than "tromploy" if you cant yourself
again good advice from jfm if badly scorched when sanded back a thin patch it the veneer could possible- probably be disguised in the refinishing depends on the groundwork underneath

a new panel well it all depends on the bean counting

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I have a mark on a cherrywood panel on a Fairline boat I'm buying and am looking for advice on how to deal with it.
It can only be described as a burn/heat mark about 25mm square, the lacquer has no imperfections that you can feel and is not broken at all. It looks as if a lamp has gently scorched the panel underneath the gloss finish and the colour of the wood has changed and become discoloured.
Is it possible to get this 'polished out' or are we realistically looking at a replacement panel?

Any advice would be appreciated....sorry but I don't have a picture to make it easier to understand.

I had a bit of a mishap in the summer and managed to break the top one of the two brackets that hold my tv on the wall over a row of eye-level cherry-veneered cabinets over the galley worktop on my T40 ... while halfway across the channel. The consequence was that the tv was left hanging inverted by the lower bracket, happily bouncing into the face of one of the cabinet doors. By the time I'd figured this all out, it had made a nice gouge in the cabinet door - properly through the lacquer and veneer - very unsightly.

I took the door off, and Fairline Southampton gave it to a local french polisher and he did a fab job - while it is certainly the case that you can still find the blemish if you go looking (hard) for it, it definitely does not catch the eye under general viewing, and is good enough for me (and I am a picky bar steward). £130.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[jfm]

So it's 25mm sq, just above the lime green cushion in the pic below?

Seriously, you'd be better just hiding it and seeing if it bothers you in 6months! A vase of flowers would do the trick. Or if you PM me an address I'll happily mail you FOC an official sqaudron table lamp. It came with my boat, chrome base about 15inches high, and beige lampshade quite small, but I use a different lamp so it's sitting unused in a box here at home in UK. If your acquisition goes through, you're welcome to it, and it's kinda official FL merchandise becuase it's standard issue with Squadrons currently so should be ok

 

[gjgm]

Depends where it is. Best solution if it's in a sutable place is fit something over it or into it. Like a lights dimmer sw, or a new hifi speaker, or the carve/mark plate, or a barometer, or something. I've no idea what would make sense, without knowing the location of the busted panel, but you might be able to think of something

Failing that I'd buy a new panel from FL, thru Essex Boatyards (as official parts supplier). Fixing it means sanding back .5mm thick lacquer (8 coats iirc) then sanding out the burn hoping the 0.5mm thick cherry veneer is thick enough, then building back the 8 layers of lacquer. Urgh. Life is too short for such buggring about - much easier to buy a new panel imho.

If you're buying from Essex Boatyards they make matching panels for FL gloss cherry perfectly. But it's labour intensive stuff and I doubt they'd want to take the job on if you're not buying the boat from them

I ve got some bloom on the cockpit table, and was quoted 5 full days labour to re-do it. As you say, life maybe too short...

 

[MYAG]

I have a mark on a cherrywood panel on a Fairline boat I'm buying and am looking for advice on how to deal with it.
It can only be described as a burn/heat mark about 25mm square, the lacquer has no imperfections that you can feel and is not broken at all. It looks as if a lamp has gently scorched the panel underneath the gloss finish and the colour of the wood has changed and become discoloured.
Is it possible to get this 'polished out' or are we realistically looking at a replacement panel?

Any advice would be appreciated....sorry but I don't have a picture to make it easier to understand.

Are you sure it is a burn/heat mark? If JFM's arrowed picture is in the right place, I would ask how you get a burn/heat mark up there?

The reason I am asking is because I also have a Cherry gloss interior on my boat and a small area suffered a little water damage a while back (from an unsealed popper stud on the exterior which leaked through) and this exactly resembled a burn/heat mark as if a hot pan was put down on the wood surface. This is how cherry gloss reacts when it gets wet from beneath and I would not want you to go to the trouble of repairing it before making sure it was not caused by water as you may be faced with the same problem again in the future.

 

[jfm]

JFM's arrowed picture...

What arrow? I didn't put an arrow on the pic! There's a lime green cushion I think to bottom right of starboard helm seat, and I think Crazy's mark is above that

Good point about the damp though. Now you mention it, I remember the cherry going black when it got wet behind the lacquer

 

[MYAG]

What arrow? I didn't put an arrow on the pic! There's a lime green cushion I think to bottom right of starboard helm seat, and I think Crazy's mark is above that

Doh, Doh, Doh, Doh! I am losing it, the arrow I saw was my bloody mouse pointer over your picture. Can't believe I did that, apologies for the confusion.

 

[splosh]

This all hapens to us at some stage, some wood damage or scratch or burn. It depends where your boat is, but a well known industry man down here for the Solent / Hamble etc is Chris Burgess. He is a top, sorry... the best wood / french polishing top dog for boats and even household. I have seen his work and experienced his work many times without fault, and amazing results - but sorry i don't have his contact details Ask any delaer down here and they will put you in touch.
Good luck.

 

[jfm]

the arrow I saw was my bloody mouse pointer over your picture. .

That's hilarious, funniest thing I heard all day! Brave of you not to keep it to yourself

 

[ChrisKaye]

"Doh, Doh, Doh, Doh! I am losing it, the arrow I saw was my bloody mouse pointer over your picture. Can't believe I did that, apologies for the confusion."

Hah, thats better a bit of levity to these forums, well done for admitting, I think I would have been tempted to keep that one quiet myself !

 

[crazy4557]

What arrow? I didn't put an arrow on the pic! There's a lime green cushion I think to bottom right of starboard helm seat, and I think Crazy's mark is above that

Doh, Doh, Doh, Doh! I am losing it, the arrow I saw was my bloody mouse pointer over your picture. Can't believe I did that, apologies for the confusion.

I would have to take that one to the grave I'm afraid...or be really pi.....ed to ever admit that so good on you for coming clean! I hope you can bring a little more humour like this.....

Looking at the mark it has a white'ish 'halo' round it which suggest to me that moisture may have crept in somehow. Although the height of the stain makes me think it could easily been a light bulb that heated up the panel.......I'll post a picture this weekend as I'm going onboard again.

JFM's point about covering is about the best option as the cost of this large panel to replace may just be too much. Maybe another plug point or a lovely light (thanks jfm might just take you up on your offer).

 

[splosh]

Now that's ironic, and just a thought to help you diagnose your problem but, my friends Squadron 58 has just been back to the factory for a refit of all the woodwork because moisture had made the wood lacquer go milky. His is Dark Cherry and an 07 / 08 boat. Is yours dark wood? I think it could be down to being water based laquer not being applied correctly or applied whilst the wood was a bit moist.
Who knows - but it looks a million dollars now.

 

[crazy4557]

Now that's ironic, and just a thought to help you diagnose your problem but, my friends Squadron 58 has just been back to the factory for a refit of all the woodwork because moisture had made the wood lacquer go milky. His is Dark Cherry and an 07 / 08 boat. Is yours dark wood? I think it could be down to being water based laquer not being applied correctly or applied whilst the wood was a bit moist.
Who knows - but it looks a million dollars now.

It's the American Cherry colour which is quite dark but probably not the dark wood you're mate's got. When I post a picture maybe I'll get some opinions.