Removable Transom Bridge Lost Overboard

[Tranona]

Generally I think boats with size / length in their name are fairly accurate,

That is just not true. How can you use the word "generally" based on just one example?

There are regular threads on here on the subject describing how different physical measurements of length are often so different from the dimension used in the model name - mostly greater but sometimes less.

 

[Seajet]

Oh come on...

Most boats with a length figure in their class name are usually about right; a Tradewind 35 is, remarkably, 35' long, same applies to Contessa 32 & 26, Elizabethan 23 & 29 and so on.

I only gave one example where it's correct as I thought it made the point to most people rather than a list of every boat where this applies...

There are a few which make the boat out to be bigger than she really is for club bar bragging, but that practice soon died out with marina fees.

 

[Tranona]

Oh come on...

Most boats with a length figure in their class name are usually about right; a Tradewind 35 is, remarkably, 35' long, same applies to Contessa 32 & 26, Elizabethan 23 & 29 and so on.

I only gave one example where it's correct as I thought it made the point to most people rather than a list of every boat where this applies...

There are a few which make the boat out to be bigger than she really is for club bar bragging, but that practice soon died out with marina fees.

Every single boat you mention was designed 30 years ago, which only shows how little you know about the vast majority of boats in use. I would guess also that none of the boats mentioned by you are exactly the length their name implies.

Just some examples from your era. Contessa 26 25'6", Invicta 26 26'5", Endurance 35 44', Moody 27 27'8", Moody 28 27'6", Parker 325 33'6", Rustler 36 35'4", Sadler 34 34'9", Starlight 35 36'1", Victory 40 43', Voyager 30 31'6".

Remember these figures are mostly from the brochure and in practice many will actually be wrong when you physically measure a boat, as many have found out when a marina measures them. When we did the exercise in our club almost all boats measured differently from both their size in a name or the published length - or both. For example my "37" was actually 38' 6". Once you get into modern boats you will find the difference is usually much greater - but you can find that out for yourself.

It is nothing to do with bragging in the club bar. It is the builder naming his boat with a figure that fits with the market it is aiming at.

Suggest you get yourself out of your 1970s mode and come into the 21st century - or even read the various threads on the subject.

 

[Seajet]

I'm well into the 21st century ta very much, also have a grip on common sense which you clearly haven't, I don't expect designs to be inch perfect.

You are just tiresome creating arguments out of thin air, go and try it on someone less experienced, they might take you seriously; I learned not to long ago, you're just seeking to insult, which says everything about you anyone needs to know.

 

[Daydream believer]

I'm well into the 21st century ta very much, also have a grip on common sense which you clearly haven't, I don't expect designs to be inch perfect.

You are just tiresome creating arguments out of thin air, go and try it on someone less experienced, they might take you seriously; I learned not to long ago, you're just seeking to insult, which says everything about you anyone needs to know.

Andy
Be fair, You made a sweeping statement that was proved wrong with a number of examples. The poster admitted that they were taken from publications, but i think he proved that your statement was, in the greater part wrong.
he was not rude or insulting. You were , in the greater part - WRONG
Did you really have to reply in such a tone.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Andy
Be fair, You made a sweeping statement that was proved wrong with a number of examples. The poster admitted that they were taken from publications, but i think he proved that your statement was, in the greater part wrong.
he was not rude or insulting. You were , in the greater part - WRONG
Did you really have to reply in such a tone.

:encouragement:

 

[Tranona]

I'm well into the 21st century ta very much, also have a grip on common sense which you clearly haven't, I don't expect designs to be inch perfect.

You are just tiresome creating arguments out of thin air, go and try it on someone less experienced, they might take you seriously; I learned not to long ago, you're just seeking to insult, which says everything about you anyone needs to know.

You said you "believe" - but you do not KNOW, because you did not check before you made a sweeping statement that turns out to be wrong. Why did you pick boats from the distant past when the subject of the thread was a modern boat (which incidentally you admitted to not knowing existed). Don't you have Google to check your facts?

Just a few modern boats to illustrate how wrong you are. Bavaria 32 33' 10", Bavaria 38 40' 4", Beneteau First 325 34'2", Beneteau 311 32'4", Jeanneau SO40 38' 6". There are many more examples of both under and over statement. My boat is called a 33 but the same hull has been sold as a 32,33 and now 34.

Just for your information published data for boats, including design length is now governed by a standard under the RCD and of course is metric. However, when figures are used to differentiate models Imperial feet related numbers are commonly used but there is no requirement that they are related directly to the design length. Hence the wide discrepancy between the "length" in the model name and the actual length.

 

[TSB240]

I really don't think all the bickering and willy waving and thread drift is at all helpful to the OP. Yes so what the Sunfast and Sun odyssey 26 are both 25 foot long but with plumb bow and stern are probably longer on the water line and faster than most 30 foot 1970's relics!
It features a big wide transom and a huge aft cabin and possibly twin rudders and an oversized 3/4 Rig .It truly is a design that is up to date! It would not be the choice of a conservative traditionalist like SJ who would be sailing off an oft quoted lee shore in a force 11 rather than be tucked up in a Marina.:encouragement:

To the OP

I don't think the missing bridge piece is structural or provides any additional rigidity to the transom to support the powerful adjustable back stay required to depower the 3/4 Rig. It is unlikely to be used as a seat as sitting on a 4 inch wide inverted u channel would be pretty uncomfortable and there is no backrest. If I were the OP I would not bother with replacing it with a fibreglass piece I would simply and much more cheaply install an additional lower lifeline with pelican hook for easy access to the sugar scoop that spans the gap.

 

[Seajet]

Andy
Be fair, You made a sweeping statement that was proved wrong with a number of examples. The poster admitted that they were taken from publications, but i think he proved that your statement was, in the greater part wrong.
he was not rude or insulting. You were , in the greater part - WRONG
Did you really have to reply in such a tone.

It's very simple - I was NOT wrong, I was being criticised for using older boats as examples - what has that got to do with it , they are perfectly valid examples proving my point.

Maybe you don't have the experience with Tranona I have, he simply insults as his raison d'etre and I've had enough of it.

 

[chewi]

It's very simple - I was NOT wrong, I was being criticised for using older boats as examples - what has that got to do with it , they are perfectly valid examples proving my point.

Maybe you don't have the experience with Tranona I have, he simply insults as his raison d'etre and I've had enough of it.

So you have a spat with Tranona. Do we all have to join in?

 

[doug748]

I really don't think all the bickering and willy waving and thread drift is at all helpful to the OP.

Yes so what the Sunfast and Sun odyssey 26 are both 25 foot long but with plumb bow and stern are probably longer on the water line and faster than most 30 foot 1970's relics!
It features a big wide transom and a huge aft cabin and possibly twin rudders and an oversized 3/4 Rig .It truly is a design that is up to date! It would not be the choice of a conservative traditionalist like SJ who would be sailing off an oft quoted lee shore in a force 11 rather than be tucked up in a Marina.:encouragement:

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This is irony, it is, is it not?

Is it? If it is, good show.
This forum is getting too sophisticated for me.

 

[Seajet]

Well you can either have something boat shaped, or something lardarsed requiring doubling the control surfaces, subject to linkage wear, horrible splaying loads on drying versions and unprotected from flotsam as not behind the keel, no propwash over the rudder for manouvering under engine; as in the lighthouse v American aircraft carrier joke, ' your call '.

 

[Daydream believer]

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[Seajet]

I saw your original before you bottled out, and it's you who are wrong, I have been caught being accurate which doesn't suit some with an agenda.