Regulation and taxes

[Sybarite]

Living and sailing in France, we operate within a highly regulated environment. I see there is much discussion about whether or not to go the same way in the UK.

May I just point out that one of the reasons why you don't pay an annual boat tax (as we have to do) may be that the taxation data base does not exist and would be difficult to establish.

On the other hand regulation would imply setting up such a base and ... bingo ... for the tax authorities !

 

[Magic_Sailor]

How much is it them? nm

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[Sybarite]

Re: How much is it them? nm

It’s very simple. The rate depends on the rated customs tonnage of the boat, the age of the boat, where it’s registered, what the category of the owner is eg an association, sailing school, charity etc, and the fiscal horsepower of the engine. Exonerations may be claimed if the boat is kept outside of territorial waters.

Above 3 fiscal ‘tonneaux’ ( one tonneau = one barrel = 100 cubic feet ..! ? ) there is a fixed charge of €33.84 and then there are 5 tranches with a sliding scale from €23.02 to €31.56 per fiscal tonne above 3 tonnes. And then a rebate if the boat is over 10 years old.

Engines over 5 fiscal hp are taxed on a sliding scale within 6 tranches (from 6hp to 99hp) from €8.23 per hp above the 5th for the first tranche to €28.97 per hp above the 5th for the 5th tranche and then a 6th tranche at €45.28 from the 1st hp. There are rebates of 25% ( from 10-20 yrs old) 50% (20 – 25 yrs) and 75 % over 25 yrs but these rebates do not apply to the 6th tranche……

If you would like information in detail please let me know.

DO NOT ALLOW REGISTRATION...

 

[Gunfleet]

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<<Above 3 fiscal ‘tonneaux’ ( one tonneau = one barrel = 100 cubic feet ..! ?>>
Don't laugh at the French too quickly! Thames tons were/are a measure of volume not weight.

 

[Jacket]

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Well, it was sensible enough when it was introduced. After all, it was for taxing cargo boats, who's income depended on the volume of the hold.
Its just very British that Thames tonnages hung around for about 50 years after sailing boats stopped carrying cargo.

 

[extravert]

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Using those numbers I reckon my boat would cost about £61 (€93) per year (X99, 10m long, low volume hull and 10hp engine). Does this sound about right? This may gaive an idea of what the taxes will be for us if/when they arrive and the EU harmonizes them.

Looks like powerboats are heavily taxed because of high engine power and big volume hulls. What would say a 12m Sunseeker cost? Do the French have to pay full tax on their diesel as well?

 

[Sybarite]

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Sunseeker would cost a lot. I have posted on fuel costs in that section but basically yes full tax.

The main point though is that these are current rates. It is easy to change rates or introduce new charges once a full register is in place.

Previously (but not now) we had to declare boats (along with horse ownership, golf club memberships, etc) on our tax forms as evidence of life style to judge whether it was consistent with the income declared.

 

[bedouin]

Yes - there are many people who feel that the tax-raising opportunities are likely to be a major driver towards compulsory registration (at least of boats).

There has been a discussion recently about asking leisure sailors to pay light dues - and that would require some form of compulsory registration.

 

[bedouin]

Yes - there are many people who feel that the tax-raising opportunities are likely to be a major driver towards compulsory registration (at least of boats).

There has been a discussion recently about asking leisure sailors to pay light dues - and that would require some form of compulsory registration.

 

[Bergman]

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Nice simple straight forward system then.

 

[kidnapped]

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So this is why the French build 'light weight'! There must be a trade off between weight and volume .... I presume the French have 'got that to a tee' Pity they didn't let the British boatbuilders know of this [as well as subsidies].... we might still have a yacht industry.