Red Funnel and Contessa Greylag MAIB report
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zoidberg
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They didn't get that right. None of them.....
Just_sayin'
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One of these would have solved all the problems of Southampton end, Cowes end etc etc
Plastimo Compass Contest 130
Plastimo Compass Contest 130
Skylark
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It is interesting that in these days where most everyone suffers Electronics OCD that the digital compass came in for some flack.
Just_sayin'
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It's just taken me about 15 seconds to establish what a heading of 150 degrees would have achieved.
Yes, I know that doesn't allow for tides and the complexity of managing multiple engines and crew but it's a bloody good start!
Yes, I know that doesn't allow for tides and the complexity of managing multiple engines and crew but it's a bloody good start!
matt1
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Many years ago I was the only boat moored on the outer pontoon at East Cowes Marina (think it was still named "Wilmots" in those days). It was a long run of pontoon and fortunately I was at the end of it. We were sat in the cockpit having lunch when I realised a small bulk carrier, "Eileen C" had clearly misjudged leaving her adjacent berth or lost control in the wind. I just about had time to untie the lines and quickly shove the boat backwards, clear of the end of the pontoon before the ship struck the pontoon, causing considerable damage. I've no doubt had I of been asleep down below I probably wouldn't be here now. I don't think the MAIB even existed in those days but the event resonates with their stated concerns about people asleep in rafted boats amongst the presence of commercial shipping
Graham_Wright
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Link didn't work for me.
RichardS
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It's been moved. Now https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e4e4575d3bf7f393d5ab2ad/2020-6-RedFalconGreylag.pdf
Richard
doug748
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There is a video of the recovery of the yacht here:
Yacht hit by ferry could cost '£200k'
Sadly the owner had the boat from new in 1978
Yacht hit by ferry could cost '£200k'
Sadly the owner had the boat from new in 1978
RichardS
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It seems insane that the diagram of the ship on the chart plotter has to be switched manually depending upon which end is the bow of the boat.
It is inevitable that, one day, someone would forget to throw the switch and the chart display would show the ship back to front. It is so obvious that the switching of the chart plotter should have been done by the same switch that transferred the helm controls from one one to the other that it must have taken a very astute control designer to realise that a manual system was the way forward, so to speak.
Richard
It is inevitable that, one day, someone would forget to throw the switch and the chart display would show the ship back to front. It is so obvious that the switching of the chart plotter should have been done by the same switch that transferred the helm controls from one one to the other that it must have taken a very astute control designer to realise that a manual system was the way forward, so to speak.
Richard
RupertW
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I know, you think he would have moved on to learning new skills and enjoying some of the last 50 years of boat design. It’s always a bit upsetting when somebody chooses not to progress.
andyp
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Sadly Richard there is no helm control switch on this vessel. From the report it appears that the VSP controllers (longitudinal and transverse thrust) at both ends of the bridge were usually live and linked. On the day, the C/O was controlling speed from the "Southampton end" of the bridge while the helmsman was steering from the "Cowes end) of the bridge.It seems insane that the diagram of the ship on the chart plotter has to be switched manually depending upon which end is the bow of the boat.
It is inevitable that, one day, someone would forget to throw the switch and the chart display would show the ship back to front. It is so obvious that the switching of the chart plotter should have been done by the same switch that transferred the helm controls from one one to the other that it must have taken a very astute control designer to realise that a manual system was the way forward, so to speak.
Richard
What the report does not mention is the limited spatial awareness offered by a digital compass readout (and digital rate of turn indicator). For me, nothing is better than an old school compass bowl for gaining an instant understanding of where Mag/True North is...
Concerto
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When someone loves the boat they sail, why should they change it? Your comment would condem all sailors of X Class, Dragons, Sonatas, Contessa 32's, etc to the "not worth worrying about". I feel the owner should be commended that he kept the same boat for 40 years. Not everyone wants to sail a floating caravan in the sun like you do, many just cannot afford it. Being a hospital manager means you see all life, but your comment is a disgrace.
RupertW
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Bit too close to home for you? I was simply agreeing with the suggestion that it was sad that he’d stuck with the same old boat since 1972 - blame that poster, not me for agreeing.
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RichardS
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I'm not sure that is correct but it makes no difference as if both ends can be operated at the same time by two helmsmen, potentially fighting each other, then that is clearly as ludicrous a design decision as not linking the chart plotter display to the switched helm position.
For £50 I could do a much better control engineering and design job than these idiots.
Richard
Norman_E
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There seem to be a few Contessa 32's on the market for about a tenth of the quoted cost!
Skylark
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A bit of a stretch to expect a “new, like for like replacement” after 40 years of ownership but you can’t blame him for trying. ?
Anyone know how his claim was settled?
chrishscorp
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Some interesting points raised in the report in terms of potential risk to other harbour users moored on the outer marina pontoons especially when rafted
dunedin
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I think you don’t mean “interesting” but “SCARY !” If the boat had gone the other way and smashed into rafted boats full of sleeping people, with tons of steel moving at 6 knots
prv
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"So obvious" apart from the fact that the report clearly states that both sets of controls are always active and thus there is no switch?
Not only can be, but normally was, with the one at the leading console controlling transverse thrust on the aft rotor and the one at the trailing console controlling longitudinal thrust on both. As, again, described in the "so obvious" report.
Pete