Really for sale?

[jac]

Browsing around the boats for sale section of various sites and came across this, recently reduced in price from something like £55000 and obviously not sold so agree that price reduction would make sense.

But then you look at the details and photo's (or lack of) and just think, is the owner really interested in selling or is it just an incompetent broker.

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li...rency=GBP&access=Public&listing_id=78553&url=

If I were the owner I'd get some decent photo's up, together with some details of the boat, does she have mast and sails? How old? Instruments ?

 

[Tranona]

When you get to the broker's website you will find all the details and photos. Quite usual for this broker not to put full details on Yachtworld.

 

[Me_has_a_Boat]

When you get to the broker's website you will find all the details and photos. Quite usual for this broker not to put full details on Yachtworld.

and require folks to subscribe to them just to see the boat pics

 

[V1701]

and require folks to subscribe to them just to see the boat pics

and then they email you if you look at a boat more than once. I think Boatshed is quite useful for research though...

 

[KevO]

I have been speaking with a vendor this week. His boat has been advertised for a year I think. Minimal details on the advert and appalling quality photos. I emailed for more info and got a response that told me all about which locker they keep the pots and pans in but nothing else of any use. He did say he would answer any questions i might have. I asked the typical ones such as age and condition of engine, standing and running rig, sails etc. Got the typical response of 'you have to come and see it before I send any of that. He thinks I'm gonna drive from Cornwall to Yorkshire on the basis of that? I had already politely said I would not be visiting boats for which I had no genuine details having wasted several weekends and LOTS of petrol falling for that line. I wished him luck with his sale, I'm not going down that road again!

 

[A1Sailor]

When you get to the broker's website you will find all the details and photos. Quite usual for this broker not to put full details on Yachtworld.

Seems a pretty good marketing ploy imho. My estate agent did the same last year and the year before - put enough pictures in the schedules to entice interest, and full information only after folk crossed the threshold of the office where he got their contact details.
Both properties sold quickly.

 

[Tranona]

Yes, that's part of their method. Yachtworld is a listing agency and costs the broker money, so many brokers only put the minimum on there rather than pay the extra to have a full listing. On the other hand some brokers use the Yachtworld template for their own listing and link to it on their website.

Having control over their own listing allows Boatshed to provide more information on line than many others.

 

[V1701]

The Boatshed/Yachtworld thing is different, i.e. I think if you know the boaty selling sites you'd know to go to Boatshed for the rest of the photos but as for the other examples given, witholding information as a marketing ploy - what a load of b*llocks...

 

[A1Sailor]

as for the other examples given, witholding information as a marketing ploy - what a load of b*llocks...

So that's your considered opinion then? I think you are wrong.

 

[jac]

So that's your considered opinion then? I think you are wrong.

I'm with djbreeze on this.

If I'm in the area anyway then I don't mind wasting 20 minutes looking at a boat that I no nothing about (assuming the design is about right)

But I live in reading. I'm semi interested in the boat, but am I going to spend a whole day and hundreds of pounds going up to Scotland to look at a boat where I suspect that the engine, sails, rigging and electronics are shot. No. There are nicer ones closer.

I may be wrong of course. That particular boat may have brand new everything but because they won't tell me how would I know? By not putting basic info on they are ruling potential buyers out.

Even if the trick does get me up there I'm not going to buy it if it doesn't meet the criteria I'm looking for.

Sellers and brokers need to learn that they are in a buyers market

 

[Hoolie]

I'm with djbreeze on this.
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Me too. With good info and good pics you can work out whether it's worth following up.
No info + no pics = no interest

 

[SailorBill]

Me too. With good info and good pics you can work out whether it's worth following up.
No info + no pics = no interest

Ditto.

 

[KevO]

I'm with djbreeze on this.

If I'm in the area anyway then I don't mind wasting 20 minutes looking at a boat that I no nothing about (assuming the design is about right)

But I live in reading. I'm semi interested in the boat, but am I going to spend a whole day and hundreds of pounds going up to Scotland to look at a boat where I suspect that the engine, sails, rigging and electronics are shot. No. There are nicer ones closer.

I may be wrong of course. That particular boat may have brand new everything but because they won't tell me how would I know? By not putting basic info on they are ruling potential buyers out.

Even if the trick does get me up there I'm not going to buy it if it doesn't meet the criteria I'm looking for.

Sellers and brokers need to learn that they are in a buyers market

My point exactly! Why risk the outlay of time and money if the vendor can't be bothered to make an effort?

 

[Tranona]

I'm with djbreeze on this.

If I'm in the area anyway then I don't mind wasting 20 minutes looking at a boat that I no nothing about (assuming the design is about right)

But I live in reading. I'm semi interested in the boat, but am I going to spend a whole day and hundreds of pounds going up to Scotland to look at a boat where I suspect that the engine, sails, rigging and electronics are shot. No. There are nicer ones closer.

I may be wrong of course. That particular boat may have brand new everything but because they won't tell me how would I know? By not putting basic info on they are ruling potential buyers out.

Even if the trick does get me up there I'm not going to buy it if it doesn't meet the criteria I'm looking for.

Sellers and brokers need to learn that they are in a buyers market

If you follow the link to the brokers site you will get all the information you want. Yachtworld is a listing agency, not a broker, and as explained above does not always carry full details.

 

[jac]

If you follow the link to the brokers site you will get all the information you want. Yachtworld is a listing agency, not a broker, and as explained above does not always carry full details.

In this case it doesn't.

It says the boat has engine, various electronics, sails etc. but not details of what or how old. Therefore I will assume that the are as old as the boat and therefore virtually dead and in need of replacement. (to be fair they do say sails might be 8 years old but that still goes into the budget for replacement in the short term category)

If this is n accurate reflection of the boat - the broker and owner have lost nothing.

However if they are newer then they might have made a difference. Replacing everything that has a finite lifespan is a hell of a lot more expensive than just replacing half of it.

It also smacks of someone who can't be arsed - and that either means a neglected boat or a nightmare of a sale. Why take the risk!

 

[Tranona]

You seem to be very picky. Listing details don't need to go into that level of detail.

You have 55 photos to show you that this is a well worn boat with old kit on it, being offered at a lower price than is usually asked for this model.

If you are seriously interested phone the broker - or go and look yourself if you fancy a boat that probably needs serious money spent on it - unsurprising as its over 30 years old.

 

[Me_has_a_Boat]

You seem to be very picky. Listing details don't need to go into that level of detail. ROTFLAMO

You have 55 photos to show you that this is a well worn boat with old kit on it, being offered at a lower price than is usually asked for this model.

If you are seriously interested phone the broker - or go and look yourself if you fancy a boat that probably needs serious money spent on it - unsurprising as its over 30 years old.

Clever marketing? Lol! it's just lazyniss and pig ignorance - the traditional Broker model of someone being priviliged to be offered the details, with the Broker having secret knowledge of boats and "the market" have long since dissapeared - even if many Broker and Vendors haven't yet realised, and think they are doing you a favour in selling to you

Even with a good listing, a buyer with half a brain knows that most of his viewing trips will be wasted, and that even without Broker / Vendor deliberately misleading (in the hope that the gullible won't notice? or can be talked into a deal when on site?).....so why would he waste time (let alone money!) on boats without enough info to even become a contender or where the Broker / Vendor announces himself as deluded / a PITA early doors?

If you really want to sell (quickly and at a good price - when you factor in mooring and maintanence the two are linked) you have to put some effort in - being really keen to sell, doesn't mean desperate or having to underprice, it just means you get on with it. and do it well..........The easier you make it for a buyer to find and then focus on your boat the more potentials there will be - selling is just a numbers game, the more prospects the more chances of finding a buyer (and with boats you only need one!).

Having said that, stupid Brokers and stupid Vendors are good if you are selling - as always easy to outcompete numpty competition.

 

[jonic]

Actually I agree with most of the comments here.

Brokerage should provide a professional and quality product.

I spend an average of 3-4 days getting my listings ready, with a full paperwork check (and often with those details included in the listing) along with meaningful photos, a decent video and a detailed specification approved by the owner. eg.

You can't do it properly in a half a day and put it out on the net. For me it's two full days minimum and usually three.

 

[jonic]

Twitholding information as a marketing ploy - what a load of b*llocks...

Couldn't agree more.

Detail, Detail, Detail, followed by Exposure, Exposure, Exposure.

The only time you can't do it is with an out of area boat and when the owner is supplying some of the material, but even then you can (and should) guide them.

This is also the problem with having large numbers of listings, there simply isn't time to do them to a high standard if you have too many.

 

[Tranona]

Clever marketing? Lol! it's just lazyniss and pig ignorance - the traditional Broker model of someone being priviliged to be offered the details, with the Broker having secret knowledge of boats and "the market" have long since dissapeared - even if many Broker and Vendors haven't yet realised, and think they are doing you a favour in selling to you

Even with a good listing, a buyer with half a brain knows that most of his viewing trips will be wasted, and that even without Broker / Vendor deliberately misleading (in the hope that the gullible won't notice? or can be talked into a deal when on site?).....so why would he waste time (let alone money!) on boats without enough info to even become a contender or where the Broker / Vendor announces himself as deluded / a PITA early doors?

If you really want to sell (quickly and at a good price - when you factor in mooring and maintanence the two are linked) you have to put some effort in - being really keen to sell, doesn't mean desperate or having to underprice, it just means you get on with it. and do it well..........The easier you make it for a buyer to find and then focus on your boat the more potentials there will be - selling is just a numbers game, the more prospects the more chances of finding a buyer (and with boats you only need one!).

Having said that, stupid Brokers and stupid Vendors are good if you are selling - as always easy to outcompete numpty competition.

Whatever you say, there is more than enough information on that listing for anybody who knows what he is looking for to make an assessment as to whether it is of interest. There is no attempt to hide the condition of the boat or talk it up into something it is not. The listing gives a full inventory of what is included and the photos show the condition of the boat. Does not require much to put two and two together and work out that it needs a lot of expenditure. A highlighted reduction of 15% in the asking price of what is normally a very popular boat tells its own story. If you want a project boat then you need a visit to confirm for yourself what needs doing. If you want an immaculate updated well maintained example, look elsewhere - and pay a higher price.