Raggies.What exactly IS their problem.?

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They cannot all be as worryingly scary as their forum suggests.
Praps a nice motorboat would help solve the obvious problem they have in coping with the real world.Or then again..........................
Ps.Heavy mist here AGAIN.
 

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I dont know
I am a very friendly open bloke who always gives a friendly wave or a cheery good morning but 9 times out 10 get completly ingnored by the raggies and some mobos as well .
I must say there not all like this but most seem to be down on the solent.
Why would they be so unfriendly please let me know and I will stop waving at them and wishing them good day
 

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I think they are, comming back in to Yacht Haven on Friday in the main fairway, A Halberg Rassy decides to enter the main channel from a finger on my port side,and despite a crew member telling him we were there, he enters the channel in front of us giving me no room to go anywhere except backwards. This we did and reversed back out into the river Plym. OK i am kind and curteous and was able to complete the manouver safely. I did take exception when the p--t completely ignored us and made absolutely no gesture of aknowledgement, he still ignored me when i shouted "Your Welcome" one of his crew then said "Pardon" I replied again "Your Welcome" still no response other then a fixed stare straight ahead. Two days later I am still waiting for the prat to come back in so we can have words.
 

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Pathetic !

surely you can think of a better troll than this! What wrong - boat knackered or the mist holding you in or wot? I thought you had nice radar? If not - get down the radar shop!
 

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Earlier this year I was returning up the Middle Ship Channel in Poole carefully observing the rules of the road when I was confronted by at least 5 sailing boats under power (about 30ft in length) in convoy. They were on the wrong (left) side of the channel and one of their number had proceeded ahead of the rest. He suddenly realised this and made an abrupt turn to join his chums. This took place almost under my bows forcing me to select reverse in order to avoid a collision. I did this with good grace and made no complaint. I received no thanks. I posted this account on scuttlebut and received nothing but abuse.
 

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It's not the motive power that's the problem.
Some people are just arseholes.
The rest of us have to continue to be gentlemen.
(I refuse to say gentlepersons)
 

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I've every confidence that there are plenty of "idiot in motorboat" stories too.

I'm afraid an idiot is an idiot, whatever he sails, drives, or does.
 

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yeah, okay - you took avoiding action for somebody else. Doesn't exactly qualify for an OBE though does it, really? And not doen with good grace really cos you're still carping about it, praps ? hm? The solent is a well-known crammed-out place so there will always be special occurrences with newbies, nuttters or whatever.

Next time on a mobo in the solent, try see how many times you can get a raggie to wave their thanks as you give way to them or take avoiding action to avoid getting wash attem. My record is three between hamble and needles. It's not far till out of the solent and after that almost no boats at all...
 

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hm, but not just wash

for some reason ( and i confess to having been a culprit) there is a tendency in coastal or confined waters to drive a mobo by aiming in the generally direction of another boat. Often understandable - the raggie on the same course praps, but usually avoidable. But in a slow ragboat, the effect of being a target, often for minutes at a time befoe the mobo peels around and usually but not always too close is not unlike the feeling one might have of someone trying out a gun by pointing at you. Un-nerving in the extreme, annoying at the very least....
 

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What is this waving business about - we don't go driving down the road waving at other drivers, why do some people expect it in boats? I could understand it when seeing another boat was a bit of a rarity, but now, in The Solent? If I waved at every prat coming into Cowes as I went out, I'd never have a hand on the helm.

If people still feel a need to do it, then being selective in some way (such as only waving to similar boats) is the only way to make it manageable.

And why do people on ferries always want to wave?
 

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Up in the wild West we wave at anything that moves and most of them wave back, even ribs full of hairy arsed divers.

I agree with l'esgargot though - waving at every boat you pass in the Solent on a sunny Saturday in July must make you a bit of a menace, you can't all be on autohelm all the time.

I would worry about ending up 'not waving but drowning'
 

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I can sum up the animosity of "Raggies" to Mobos, in one word. WASH!!

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From what I can gather wash isn't a problem , except as an excuse to slag of mobo's.

IMO there seems to be 4 types of raggie
1) Friendly ones who are just out to enjoy themselves
2) Those who are ignorant and arrogant so and so's who think only raggie boats have the right to be on the water
3) Those who are just idiots
4) Nearly forgot the racing brigade who only think they have the right to be on the water

Probably 75% are in the first group and 10% make up the next 2 groups, and the last group make up about 15%
Unfortunately it's this last 25% who seem to be in the majority in the solent and poole areas at the weekends.
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Enviromentalists are ignorant and arrogant? I think not! I am an enviromentalist and I am neither, I suggest you re-phrase that statement!
Go out and about on a sailboat more often, wash is very much a problem for sailboats, especially with little or no wind in there sails.
 

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Re: hm, but not just wash

Yes

Dead right

Been on recieveing end of that a couple of times, its scary. As the "target" you have no idea whether the mobo has seen you or not, whether he is an idiot or not, and worst of all there is no chance you can get out of his way.

Wash is, IMHO, fair game in open water, ships and tugs and things like that far worse than mobos. I suspect sometimes mobo drivers forget that yachts draw more water than them. Very uncomfortable feeling if you have 2 foot under your keel and a 3 foot wash coming at you.

Can't help thinking the raggie V mobo thing is really a Solent syndrome. Not an issue where I sail.
 

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Re: Possible explanations

1 You have just used them as a "target" and they still have hands together in prayer.

2 They have met you before and don't like you

2a They have not met you and still don't like you

2c They have mistaken you for someone else with a similar boat that they don't like (mobos all look alike to us)

2d They are miserable gits

2e They are the sort who don't communicate with people until they have been formally introduced

4 They are busy arguing about course, position, destination, sail change, etc etc. (most likely)

5 They are clinging on for dear life

6 By the time they have freed an arm from harness, jib-sheets, oily pockets, tiller extension etc etc you are 2 miles away and can't see them. (handling tiller, sheets and a cup of coffee all at once is tricky)

7 If early or late in season they are so cold that they fear waving an extremity may cause it to drop off.

8 They have been out all day on the Solent and their arms ache too much from waving to everyone else.
 

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There changed it for you, but a lot of enviromentalists don't seem to practice what they preach, IMOSHO /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wash tends to be an inconvenience rather than a problem , unless the mobo's doing a high speed close-up inspection of your boat
 

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