Qualifications to skipper your own coded motorboat?

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Looking to skipper my own motor cruiser (13m) taking paying guests in the solent area. I have a PB2/ICC, and more than five years experience but whats the minimum legal requirement? My insurance co didnt object which is what puzzles me,

I know theres commercial endorsement, but whats involved exactly?

Have read RYA web site, just looking for practical experience in this matter,
 
You need Table 1 of appendix 3 of MGN280(m).

MGN means marine guidance note. If you can get hold of a copy then look at that table.

With PB2 you can only go for Cat 6 which 3 miles from your base outside of sheltered waters.

You'll need to get your boat coded for charter.

Speak to a coding surveyor to get the full info.
 
You need to check this - but.....

I think within the solent you do not need a coded boat - you are restricted to keeping inside Nab and not out beyond the needles light.

There was a chap with a Sq that used to charter his boat quite successfully without any quals nor MCA Code.

like I say check it out first as he may have been 'cheating' but i doubt it.
 
You do need to get the boat coded for charter work in any waters. Also you need a commercially endorsed yachtmaster /coastal ticket which involves medical, first aid course and sea survival course. The RYA will tell you more. If you don't possess a ticket and the MCA pull you over, they won't be very happy!!!!
 
tamarind said:
You do need to get the boat coded for charter work in any waters. Also you need a commercially endorsed yachtmaster /coastal ticket which involves medical, first aid course and sea survival course. The RYA will tell you more. If you don't possess a ticket and the MCA pull you over, they won't be very happy!!!!
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Agreed ! and take note - if MCA pull you over on a charter and you are not coded and licensed to helm then you are in the **** - boat too!! and YES they do board and check, twice last year and twice the year before for us and we are 100% legit. Plus 1 person broke their leg just getting off the boat on a charter and thank god we were 100% !!!!!
 
Thanks all,

Im not looking to run a non coded boat, hence the thread title "skipper your own coded motorboat"

also not looking to avoid the right ticket requirements. Just wanted to know what they were and whats involved in the process of the endorsement, I understand theres an exam but whats in this exam?
 
Really you should aim to get your YachtMaster - you can now do either Offshore or a reduced ticket that is YachMaster Coastal. If you are planning on just solent and south coast charters then YM Coastal would be sufficient.

As to what is involced in the exam, its at the discretion of the examiner. They can test any aspect of boat handling, navigation, thoery, meteorology, collision regs etc etc during a practical exam. YM Offshore lasts around 8 hours, YM Coastal around 6.

There is no course as such for either YM, though most good sea schools will run a comprehensive 4 day prep before the exam. This is to brush up on what you already know and refine your skills however, it is not a course with a set syllabus and will not cover everything that might be asked. It will however be tailored to you so that you have the best prep for the exam.

The kind of things you could expect to be tested on in the exam are:

Close quaters boat handling
Man overboard procedure
Crew breifings
Safety Equiptement (location, types and use there of)
Passage planning and pilotage
Navigation by dead reckoning
Navigation without the use of electronic aids
Night navigation and saftey of the vessel
Blind navigation (ie you cant see where you are or your destination)
Finding unlit marks at night
Position fixing using basic instruments
Vessel Management
Provisioning for a longer trip
Lights, Day Shapes and Sound Signals
Astral Navigational Information (sunrise/sunset etc)
Calculating clearance heights
Calculating Secondary Port information

That is by no means is an exhaustive list, but gives you an idea of what might be asked of you.

To then commercially endorse the qualification (either of them) you need to complete an approced first aid course, a sea survival course and undergo a medical.
 
Whitelighter said:
Really you should aim to get your YachtMaster - you can now do either Offshore or a reduced ticket that is YachMaster Coastal. If you are planning on just solent and south coast charters then YM Coastal would be sufficient.

As to what is involced in the exam, its at the discretion of the examiner. They can test any aspect of boat handling, navigation, thoery, meteorology, collision regs etc etc during a practical exam. YM Offshore lasts around 8 hours, YM Coastal around 6.

There is no course as such for either YM, though most good sea schools will run a comprehensive 4 day prep before the exam. This is to brush up on what you already know and refine your skills however, it is not a course with a set syllabus and will not cover everything that might be asked. It will however be tailored to you so that you have the best prep for the exam.

The kind of things you could expect to be tested on in the exam are:

Close quaters boat handling
Man overboard procedure
Crew breifings
Safety Equiptement (location, types and use there of)
Passage planning and pilotage
Navigation by dead reckoning
Navigation without the use of electronic aids
Night navigation and saftey of the vessel
Blind navigation (ie you cant see where you are or your destination)
Finding unlit marks at night
Position fixing using basic instruments
Vessel Management
Provisioning for a longer trip
Lights, Day Shapes and Sound Signals
Astral Navigational Information (sunrise/sunset etc)
Calculating clearance heights
Calculating Secondary Port information

That is by no means is an exhaustive list, but gives you an idea of what might be asked of you.

To then commercially endorse the qualification (either of them) you need to complete an approced first aid course, a sea survival course and undergo a medical.
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Scuse my picking the detial of your excellent post Jez but I think the 1st aid course is part of the basic YM, and then the sea survival and medical sign off are the two things needed for commercial endorsement
 
Whitelighter said:
Really you should aim to get your YachtMaster - you can now do either Offshore or a reduced ticket that is YachMaster Coastal. If you are planning on just solent and south coast charters then YM Coastal would be sufficient.

As to what is involced in the exam, its at the discretion of the examiner. They can test any aspect of boat handling, navigation, thoery, meteorology, collision regs etc etc during a practical exam. YM Offshore lasts around 8 hours, YM Coastal around 6.

There is no course as such for either YM, though most good sea schools will run a comprehensive 4 day prep before the exam. This is to brush up on what you already know and refine your skills however, it is not a course with a set syllabus and will not cover everything that might be asked. It will however be tailored to you so that you have the best prep for the exam.

The kind of things you could expect to be tested on in the exam are:

Close quaters boat handling
Man overboard procedure
Crew breifings
Safety Equiptement (location, types and use there of)
Passage planning and pilotage
Navigation by dead reckoning
Navigation without the use of electronic aids
Night navigation and saftey of the vessel
Blind navigation (ie you cant see where you are or your destination)
Finding unlit marks at night
Position fixing using basic instruments
Vessel Management
Provisioning for a longer trip
Lights, Day Shapes and Sound Signals
Astral Navigational Information (sunrise/sunset etc)
Calculating clearance heights
Calculating Secondary Port information

That is by no means is an exhaustive list, but gives you an idea of what might be asked of you.

To then commercially endorse the qualification (either of them) you need to complete an approced first aid course, a sea survival course and undergo a medical.
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Cor it looks easy now, I had to learn morse code!
 
All now well covered except that if you have had 2 years revelant experience you can go for the cat 3 waters ( 20 miles from a safe haven) with an Advanced Power Boat Commercially endorsed.
Cat 3 is what the Yachtmaster Coastal Cert (formerly Coastal Skipper) will give you , but the syllabus is not so in depth with Advanced Powerboat. It still permits commercial operation of a vessel up to 24 metres and is applicable to vessels capable of 12 knots or more.

Paul.
 
Whitelighter said:
Really you should aim to get your YachtMaster - you can now do either Offshore or a reduced ticket that is YachMaster Coastal. If you are planning on just solent and south coast charters then YM Coastal would be sufficient.

As to what is involced in the exam, its at the discretion of the examiner. They can test any aspect of boat handling, navigation, thoery, meteorology, collision regs etc etc during a practical exam. YM Offshore lasts around 8 hours, YM Coastal around 6.

There is no course as such for either YM, though most good sea schools will run a comprehensive 4 day prep before the exam. This is to brush up on what you already know and refine your skills however, it is not a course with a set syllabus and will not cover everything that might be asked. It will however be tailored to you so that you have the best prep for the exam.

The kind of things you could expect to be tested on in the exam are:

Close quaters boat handling
Man overboard procedure
Crew breifings
Safety Equiptement (location, types and use there of)
Passage planning and pilotage
Navigation by dead reckoning
Navigation without the use of electronic aids
Night navigation and saftey of the vessel
Blind navigation (ie you cant see where you are or your destination)
Finding unlit marks at night
Position fixing using basic instruments
Vessel Management
Provisioning for a longer trip
Lights, Day Shapes and Sound Signals
Astral Navigational Information (sunrise/sunset etc)
Calculating clearance heights
Calculating Secondary Port information

That is by no means is an exhaustive list, but gives you an idea of what might be asked of you.

To then commercially endorse the qualification (either of them) you need to complete an approced first aid course, a sea survival course and undergo a medical.
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Yep, Jez - but its the Medical thats the difficult bit - at least for fat gits anyway!!
 
Thanks for the comments,

Talking of the medical, I guess the ML5 is the one most people do, how much should a GP charge to complete this? Mines got no idea and says they dont do the ENG1 and dont believe they can do the ML5 either.

Do people fail? I see the MCA make the final decision in that case?
 
The ML5 lasts for 5 years & the Eng1 for 2 years. With failure (such as colour blindness etc.) the MCA can issue an endorsement on it that "another competent person" is on board to bring the vessel home if need be, or use in daylight only. etc

Paul
 
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