Proof full duty diesel will not make a jot of difference

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After extensive research I have found proof that doubling the cost of fuel will not make a significant difference.

I looked back in my log book and realized I paid per litre

June 2004 25p


sept 2006 48p

That is almost double and who really noticed a difference ?
Check your own log books for your own proof !


I know it cant continue to double every two years or it will make a difference eventually BUT the truth is after the last double in price there wasnt even a slight indication of plummeting boat values !
 
Ah but each time it doubles, it is twice as bad as the previous time. What we are looking at now is qudarouple what you paid in 04. 25p to 50p is one thing, 50p to £1 is quite different
 
That is my point.

Double the bad effect is still nothing.

2 x nothing = almost nothing !



The only difference I expect is actually seeing a Sailing boat crossing the Channel under sail.
 
Nothing to you could be everything to someone else!
It all depends on your financial situation!
What is cheap to one person is expensive to another! fact of life. I know many boat owners who go boating on a budget, its their life's hobby, there will be many people like this who will feel this is the last straw.

Barry
 
Yes but its straw and camels back type thing.

Extra 25p per litre 99% grin and bear it.
Extra 50p per litre ??% grin and bear it.
Extra £10 per litre, last person please turn off the lights.

Everyone has the point at which they will say enough is enough, who knows how many people will call it a day at £1 per litre.

I hope no-one does, but I am sure many will. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
I consider myself as 'a boater on a budget', all on here that know me know that , but that is irrelevant to this.

I am certainly not trying to suggest I have loads of spare cash and double the cost doesnt matter.

I am talking overall about all users Rich and Poor and just pointing out that the cost has already doubled and there was not a significant difference in boat values.

My point is that if doubling of fuel price was going to make a huge difference then there would have been some sort of indication from the last double .
 
The same can be said of petrol for cars, and cigarettes.

I wonder how many smokers said they would give up if they reached £1 a packet, and how many drivers ever believed they would be able to afford petrol if it reached £1 per gallon, never mind £1 per litre.

The thing is, we do the things we do, and make adjustments in various areas of our lives to accommodate them.

At £1 per litre, some boaters will do fewer, or shorter, trips. us yachties might put the sails up more often. Others will save money in other areas of their lives, and nothing will change. Others will give up, (but I'd bet not many). Many dont go far anyway, so fuel isnt a significant part of boat ownership. Some have so much money, it wont matter anyway.

Personally, whilst fuel costs arent a big issue, I love having an "apartment" on the water, and am having to economise in many other areas just to own it and spend time on it.
 
I couldn't agree more, I even did a poll on this site in which 91% of people said they were going to carry on, but there's not much hysteria to be had in "nothing much will change" is there?

Incidently, look at the huge marina berth price increases over the last 10 years. Nett result? My local marina has gone from being almost full to being bursting at the seams with a waiting list. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
It doesnt work like that.

There has already been a 90 % increase = grin and bear it no change

If the 90% increase had caused 10% to stop boating then I could see a 180% increase stopping 25% but what I am saying is there was not 10% that stopped so at worst we should expect a 10% drop out if that.
The indications are none will give up.


There will be some that are thinking of giving up anyway and may use it as an excuse as there would have been after the 90% increase but there are always plenty ready to take their place.

The number of boaters is increasing even after a 90% rise in diesel.
 
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Personally, whilst fuel costs arent a big issue, I love having an "apartment" on the water, and am having to economise in many other areas just to own it and spend time on it.

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Exactly. There seems to be a consensus of opinion on this board that every hour on board boat is spent at 25 knots burning 25 gallons an hour.

In reality actually charging along is a pretty small part of the whole boating process for many.
 
Having said all that, I am truly p*ssed off that other EU countries seem to be able to ignore whatever the rules are, whilst we follow like sheep.

It is quite clear that the government had absolutely no intention of fighting to avoid applying the tax, otherwise they could just do what Belgium and Eire seem to be doing.

GB is close to skinting us and is using every excuse in the book to collect an extra million here and an extra million there.
 
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Having said all that, I am truly p*ssed off that other EU countries seem to be able to ignore whatever the rules are, whilst we follow like sheep.



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Totally agree with that too. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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Yes but its straw and camels back type thing.

Extra 25p per litre 99% grin and bear it.
Extra 50p per litre ??% grin and bear it.
Extra £10 per litre, last person please turn off the lights.

Everyone has the point at which they will say enough is enough, who knows how many people will call it a day at £1 per litre.

I hope no-one does, but I am sure many will. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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According to the BBC News article, nothing at all is likely to hapopen in 2007. There is it seems a lot of discussion and consultation yet to take place, so banging on about it, is a bit pointless really, because nobody knows what the rate is likely to be set at. I do my boating on a budget, and I don't want to see a hefty increase either, but there is absolutely no point in people climbing out of the prams until they know what they are talking about. Ranting on here is understandable, but will achieve naff all, whereas making your feelings known to whatever body best represents your boating interests, would (IMHO), be more productive.

I have seen all kinds of diatribes in these pages of late, stuff about "Tree Hugging Raggies, jumping for joy" because the mobos have been clobbered, that sort of post is negative and devisive, and will not serve anybodies cause, Raggies and Mobo Jockies, should be thinking about presenting a united front, against what is afterall a dictat handed down by unelected politicians. Also trying to make political statements, whether with a large P, or a small one is pointless and tiresome, I don't think any government regardless of political persuasion would see this as a desirable situation and would do all it could to minimise the impact. So ranting on about yet another tax imposed by Nulabour is a waste of time and energy. I think that uniting behind whoever is best placed to something about it, RYA??? is a much better proposition.
 
Yes I take your point, perhaps there has not been a difference in boat values, or has there? I have noted that there has not been much difference in what people are asking for their boat! but there is imho a big difference in boat sales this year! only got to keep an eye on second hand boats for sale, not that many have sold this year!
Another big increase in fuel costs will mean less people will want to start boating and less people will continue - result = market forces driving down the worth of your vessel!

Barry
 
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