ari
Well-Known Member
Just curious given recent threads on the subject, but do you have the original invoice showing VAT paid, or originals of customs VAT payment if imported?
Poll: Have you got PROOF of VAT paid status of your boat?
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ostria
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As a matter of fact i insisted on the previous owner's finding the official papers cause here in greece with the chartering business LOTS of mobos have NOT paid VAT...
Dimitris,
Athens, Greece.
Dimitris,
Athens, Greece.
muckypup
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Do you work for the HM Customs & Excise by any chance? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ari
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No, not at all, don't panic! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I just know someone who became majorly unstuck by the weird way the laws work in relation to this situation. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Interesting to see the poll results so far...
I just know someone who became majorly unstuck by the weird way the laws work in relation to this situation. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Interesting to see the poll results so far...
rickp
Well-Known Member
Are you a broker, dealer or in some other way connected to the sale of boats?
Rick
Rick
ari
Well-Known Member
I'm a boat enthusiast that enjoys boats and chatting about them, same as everyone else.
rickp
Well-Known Member
Sure, but that didn't really answer my question.
Rick
Rick
Divemaster1
Well-Known Member
Nope .... pre 1985 and have proof that privately in use in EU waters, and part 1 registered, to single owner for private use since launch in 1983
hlb
RIP
Dunno.
Mine says bought for one pound and other considerations.
So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Mine says bought for one pound and other considerations.
So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
duncan
Well-Known Member
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So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p.
[/ QUOTE ] i thinks that 'at best' - but I like the logic!
So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p.
[/ QUOTE ] i thinks that 'at best' - but I like the logic!
goodwin71
Active Member
i think you are on the right track here rick, i would say that he/she is very bored!
ps1
Well-Known Member
Just a guess, but boat age probably comes into the equation. Older boat, passing thro more hands, less chance of VAT payment proof.
rogerthebodger
Well-Known Member
I have been the one rasing the issue and being on the opposite side from Customs and inland revenue and knowing the general rules I see it as the responsibility of the taxman to ensure that any item sold or imported should have VAT paid when origionaly and not upto the "17th owner" to do so and if he cannot to have to pay the VAT again.
Look at when you take you car over to france do you have to prove that VAT has been paid or is it the case that when a car is first registered profe of VAT paid is required before it can be put on the road and if so should the asne rules apply.
I think C&E consider proof is difficult so this is a new sorce of income / tax and we just lie down all allow our selves to be f**ked.
If the RYA as any balls that issue neexs to be taken up with your govement and if you say "Oh we cannot do anything about it" You will be continuely be f**ked by your govement.
On a couple of issues when out VAT man came and said I must pay VAT of upto 100 000 ZAR I got legal advice and told him to p**s off and he did and went to and easier target who would lie down and allow the taxman to [--word removed--] him.
Look at when you take you car over to france do you have to prove that VAT has been paid or is it the case that when a car is first registered profe of VAT paid is required before it can be put on the road and if so should the asne rules apply.
I think C&E consider proof is difficult so this is a new sorce of income / tax and we just lie down all allow our selves to be f**ked.
If the RYA as any balls that issue neexs to be taken up with your govement and if you say "Oh we cannot do anything about it" You will be continuely be f**ked by your govement.
On a couple of issues when out VAT man came and said I must pay VAT of upto 100 000 ZAR I got legal advice and told him to p**s off and he did and went to and easier target who would lie down and allow the taxman to [--word removed--] him.
DAKA
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I think the first call would be from French VAT 22%???????????? but based on their assessment of current value and paid on the spot or impounded.
Unless the £1 is paid by a VAT reg UK company(somewhere in the past) and then they would have to pay 17.5 p.
After you pay the £22 000 ish you can then of course spend £40,000 on French lawyers trying to recover your £22,000.
Before visit out of UK best look for an old receipt showing Vat paid or a transfer of ownership from a UK vat reg company.
BTW dont worry too much only 90% sure about this /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Unless the £1 is paid by a VAT reg UK company(somewhere in the past) and then they would have to pay 17.5 p.
After you pay the £22 000 ish you can then of course spend £40,000 on French lawyers trying to recover your £22,000.
Before visit out of UK best look for an old receipt showing Vat paid or a transfer of ownership from a UK vat reg company.
BTW dont worry too much only 90% sure about this /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
ari
Well-Known Member
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Dunno.
Mine says bought for one pound and other considerations.
So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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That's just the Bill of Sale, no reference (or proof) of VAT paid there at all I'm afraid.
Dunno.
Mine says bought for one pound and other considerations.
So I suppose at worst I might owe 17.5p. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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That's just the Bill of Sale, no reference (or proof) of VAT paid there at all I'm afraid.
ColinHuggins
N/A
I hope someone out there might take heart from my expensive - and enjoy a snigger!
Lacking any VAT documentation, and very worried about purchasing from the Channel Islands, I went down the path of PartI Registration having been advised it puts the responsibility into the hands of UK C&E should French officialdom become awkward.
So forked out £150 for the extra Measuring Survey, another £150 for the Registration Fee. But I had to produce evidence of ownership for the past 10 years, and in so doing eventually traced right back 25 years to the first owner. Who had the original Builder's VAT receipt!
En route I made the mistake of slagging off someone in the Cardiff Registry Office for the alacrity with which my cheques were banked which contrasted with her dilatory approach to processing my application.
Oh dear! Then followed much tedious correspondence persuading each of the previous owners to produce, not copies, but originals of each Bill of Sale - only to have same rejected where the boat had been purchased a deaux but sold by one individual. It went on for months!!
Don't tell me the moral of the tale, please . . .
Lacking any VAT documentation, and very worried about purchasing from the Channel Islands, I went down the path of PartI Registration having been advised it puts the responsibility into the hands of UK C&E should French officialdom become awkward.
So forked out £150 for the extra Measuring Survey, another £150 for the Registration Fee. But I had to produce evidence of ownership for the past 10 years, and in so doing eventually traced right back 25 years to the first owner. Who had the original Builder's VAT receipt!
En route I made the mistake of slagging off someone in the Cardiff Registry Office for the alacrity with which my cheques were banked which contrasted with her dilatory approach to processing my application.
Oh dear! Then followed much tedious correspondence persuading each of the previous owners to produce, not copies, but originals of each Bill of Sale - only to have same rejected where the boat had been purchased a deaux but sold by one individual. It went on for months!!
Don't tell me the moral of the tale, please . . .
ColinHuggins
N/A
I hope someone out there might take heart from my experience - and enjoy a snigger!
Lacking any VAT documentation, and very worried about purchasing from the Channel Islands, I went down the path of Part I Registration having been advised that it puts the responsibility into the hands of UK C&E should French officialdom become awkward.
So forked out £150 for the extra Measuring Survey, another £150 for the Registration Fee. But I had to produce evidence of ownership for the past 10 years, and in so doing eventually traced right back 25 years to the first owner. Who had the original Builder's VAT receipt!
En route I made the mistake of slagging off someone in the Cardiff Registry Office for the alacrity with which my cheques were banked which contrasted with her dilatory attitude to processing my application.
Oh dear! Then followed much tedious correspondence persuading each of the previous owners to produce, not copies, but originals of each Bill of Sale - only to have each rejected where the boat had been purchased a deaux but sold by one individual. It went on for months!!
Don't tell me the moral of the tale, please . . .
Lacking any VAT documentation, and very worried about purchasing from the Channel Islands, I went down the path of Part I Registration having been advised that it puts the responsibility into the hands of UK C&E should French officialdom become awkward.
So forked out £150 for the extra Measuring Survey, another £150 for the Registration Fee. But I had to produce evidence of ownership for the past 10 years, and in so doing eventually traced right back 25 years to the first owner. Who had the original Builder's VAT receipt!
En route I made the mistake of slagging off someone in the Cardiff Registry Office for the alacrity with which my cheques were banked which contrasted with her dilatory attitude to processing my application.
Oh dear! Then followed much tedious correspondence persuading each of the previous owners to produce, not copies, but originals of each Bill of Sale - only to have each rejected where the boat had been purchased a deaux but sold by one individual. It went on for months!!
Don't tell me the moral of the tale, please . . .
benjenbav
Well-Known Member
Not snigger. Customs had quite extraordinarily wide-ranging powers. Apparently, now they are part of HM Revenue & Customs, the Revenue staff are keen to get the same powers for themselves.
Richard10002
Well-Known Member
I've answered "yes", but I'm not absolutely sure.
The boat was originally bought in Ireland and named Lady "B", and I have an Irish Customs letter confirming VAT Paid on Lady "B". The second, (Irish), owner named her Puffin, and then my father bought her and Registered her Part 1 at the same time renaming her Rogue.
Not sure if Part 1 Registry confirms VAT Paid status, or whether the paper trail of sales/purchases confirms it.
I hope so!
The boat was originally bought in Ireland and named Lady "B", and I have an Irish Customs letter confirming VAT Paid on Lady "B". The second, (Irish), owner named her Puffin, and then my father bought her and Registered her Part 1 at the same time renaming her Rogue.
Not sure if Part 1 Registry confirms VAT Paid status, or whether the paper trail of sales/purchases confirms it.
I hope so!
jcmmarine
Well-Known Member
As covered in prevoious posts - I cannot answer this question because I do not know!!!!!
My boat is is 30 years old. It has never left the EU. I have as much history as possible. My last bill says "all VAT due paid" on my second hand purchace through a broker. But do I have a single piece of paper saying VAT paid - No. Can I get one - No. Is any VAT due - No. Can I honestly tick either of your Poll boxes - No. Has the RYA been any help in this - No. Has Customs & Exise been any help in this - No.
My boat is is 30 years old. It has never left the EU. I have as much history as possible. My last bill says "all VAT due paid" on my second hand purchace through a broker. But do I have a single piece of paper saying VAT paid - No. Can I get one - No. Is any VAT due - No. Can I honestly tick either of your Poll boxes - No. Has the RYA been any help in this - No. Has Customs & Exise been any help in this - No.