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When I was Gosport based I had an arrangement with a dive team who would scrub my underwater hull three times during the season - does anybody know of a firm doing something similar in Plymouth?
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Rob
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Rob
Plymouth diver?
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Alcyone
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You could alwys try the local BSAC club - they may be quite keen if it's funds for the club, and may well do it a lot cheaper than a company?
http://www.bsac.org/page/202/south-west.htm
http://www.bsac.org/page/202/south-west.htm
wooslehunter
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But of course any sport diver accepting payment for diving would be breaking the law so don't let any of the local commercial boys find out.
Cornishman
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I think Tom Daley will be too busy training for world championships and 2012 Olympics as well as studying for his GCSEs etc to be cleaning boat bottoms. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
HoratioHB
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But of course any sport diver accepting payment for diving would be breaking the law so don't let any of the local commercial boys find out.
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Er - so what law is that then? I am a qualified diver and and can swim under water for whatever reason like. Who says I can't accept money for doing something?
But of course any sport diver accepting payment for diving would be breaking the law so don't let any of the local commercial boys find out.
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Er - so what law is that then? I am a qualified diver and and can swim under water for whatever reason like. Who says I can't accept money for doing something?
Twister_Ken
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Not my specialist subject, but as I understand it if you are doing it for pay, then you have to comply with elfinsafety, which means another diver with you, and at least one oppo topside. Also, someone, somewhere, is going to require you to have insurance cover for third party and customer liability.
PembrokeshirePromise
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Mr HSE I'm afraid - an inordinate number of hoops to jump through - which means I strongly suspect that most scrubbing bottoms are doing it on the side.
As you say - you can jump in and clean (providing marina allow you) - so long as you don't accept payment - if you do and you get caught they come down hard.
To do it commercially - you need to be registered as a diving contractor, have a qualified first aider - a standby diver, a supervisor, appropriate risk assessment, commercial medical, 6 monthly kit check, if more than a certain distance from a chamber (not a problem in Plymouth!) - they are pushing for a surface chamber onsite.
Basically it means an absolute minimum team size of 3 - more normally 4 - so the cost for scrubbing the bottom of a boat would get quite high! Also explains why the commerical boys doing it properly take a dim view of people undercutting them !
Most of it is totally OTT for a job like scrubbing a boat - but as usual rules is rules - and its a "one size fits all".
Of course if you just use a snorkel - then you're not diving so the rules don't apply ...
If you are really bored: http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/acop.htm
As you say - you can jump in and clean (providing marina allow you) - so long as you don't accept payment - if you do and you get caught they come down hard.
To do it commercially - you need to be registered as a diving contractor, have a qualified first aider - a standby diver, a supervisor, appropriate risk assessment, commercial medical, 6 monthly kit check, if more than a certain distance from a chamber (not a problem in Plymouth!) - they are pushing for a surface chamber onsite.
Basically it means an absolute minimum team size of 3 - more normally 4 - so the cost for scrubbing the bottom of a boat would get quite high! Also explains why the commerical boys doing it properly take a dim view of people undercutting them !
Most of it is totally OTT for a job like scrubbing a boat - but as usual rules is rules - and its a "one size fits all".
Of course if you just use a snorkel - then you're not diving so the rules don't apply ...
If you are really bored: http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/acop.htm
HoratioHB
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Well diving with a buddy is normal practice. Not sure about the topside oppo - not required for normal diving but the owner will probably be about. Elfin safety would require a risk assessment - but as I normally dive to between 18-30 metres and a boat scrub never goes below 5 thats the risk assesment done then!! As for Insurance - whats the risk to the customer?? and I have third party liability anyway for normal diving.
No my question was what 'law' I would be breaking - not trying to be flippant I would really like to know.
Edit: Oops missed the above post as I was typing. Ok can see the logic - and its just another reason for getting out of this poxy country. Where we sail there is no elfin safety, people are expected to take responsibility for their own actions and not have their hands held (tied) by do-gooder red tape all the time. Roll on 4 Nov when we get back to trinny and sanity.
No my question was what 'law' I would be breaking - not trying to be flippant I would really like to know.
Edit: Oops missed the above post as I was typing. Ok can see the logic - and its just another reason for getting out of this poxy country. Where we sail there is no elfin safety, people are expected to take responsibility for their own actions and not have their hands held (tied) by do-gooder red tape all the time. Roll on 4 Nov when we get back to trinny and sanity.
PembrokeshirePromise
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Law being broken is:
The Diving at Work Regulations 1997
http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/acop.htm
P.S. Just to really fill you with joy - I think technically HSE rules apply to any diving taking place off a British flagged vessel - regardless of where the vessel is located! Though the sight of an HSE inspector rowing out to some remote pacific anchorage would be entertaining. They can't cope with Scotland !
The Diving at Work Regulations 1997
http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/acop.htm
P.S. Just to really fill you with joy - I think technically HSE rules apply to any diving taking place off a British flagged vessel - regardless of where the vessel is located! Though the sight of an HSE inspector rowing out to some remote pacific anchorage would be entertaining. They can't cope with Scotland !
HoratioHB
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And I would fail - I scrubbed my bottom (the boats) 4 times last season - on my own - shock horror!!! Not gonna stop either.
PembrokeshirePromise
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Well - so long as you didn't pay yourself you are in the clear /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Though if it was a coded charter boat they'd probably object /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I scrub several boats - including my own - but don't accept payment (they're mates whose boats I'm normally sailing on). As I have a commercial diving qualification they would probably come down even harder on me ! Though actually I normally just use mask and snorkel these days
Though if it was a coded charter boat they'd probably object /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I scrub several boats - including my own - but don't accept payment (they're mates whose boats I'm normally sailing on). As I have a commercial diving qualification they would probably come down even harder on me ! Though actually I normally just use mask and snorkel these days
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Alcyone
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Well, we used to do things like that, recover golf balls from lakes on golf courses, even helped the sea scouts recover their minibus once. We just accepted a 'donation' to club funds for the favour.
Of course, in these days of health and safety gone mad, probably best left to the 'professionals'. Ho hum.
Of course, in these days of health and safety gone mad, probably best left to the 'professionals'. Ho hum.
PembrokeshirePromise
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Yes - so did we in sub aqua clubs - unfortunaley as you say with this country going mad - mitigating against virtually non-existant risks - the concept of a "donation" being used as a loophole was closed.
You used to (and may still be able to) - accept costs - but these really got whittled back so they were only your direct costs - i.e. the cost of a fill of air!
You used to (and may still be able to) - accept costs - but these really got whittled back so they were only your direct costs - i.e. the cost of a fill of air!
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Alcyone
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Never mind, I'll clean the hull on the Lucy instead then.......
PembrokeshirePromise
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That might stretch my snorkelling depth a tad ...