plan a..

[david_e]

...is to leave (the north) very early one morning next week and head to solent. view potential boat (4 years old, french, inventory & price agreed), go for test sail and motor, if satisfied, lift out after lunch, surveyor arrives to complete his part, finalise deal by end of day. (after much searching this looks and feels like the one!)

q1 is it worth being there when surveyor does his bit?
q2 would you wait for written report before parting with deposit dosh, or leave holding deposit "subject to survey".
q3 when deposit paid, should boat be used at all pending arrival of final payment.

or is plan b better option. (and what is it?)

transport from solent to pwllheli aprox £1,400 including lift outs, cranes, lift ins, rigger etc. any idea on all in cost of skipper and crew to sail it round and how long?

 

[BarryH]

Re: Answers

q1 Yes, its easier for him to explain things to when you can see them. Altho some surveyors are miserable gits and wont talk to you!

q2 Wait for the written report, a wad of paper is a good bargaining lever, leave the deposit subject to survey tho

q3 Altho you've paid the deposit, the boat is actually still the property of the selling party. Its up to them or the broker, but I bet they want full payment before you use it.

Not sure about the last bit. I've got a friend that lives on the IOW that does this as a hobby!! At least if you use a transport company if anything gets damamged they pay for it. If you use a skipper and things break under "normal" useage you pay for it. When the thing is re rigged you'll have a better understanding of where everything goes. Also going by road it'll probably be there quicker. Its up to you really on the transport side of things!

OK, to hell with it. Unbolt it and we'll use it as an anchor!

 

[rhinorhino]

Delivery, around £1/Mile. Timing might depend on weather, more so if boat is small/light.

Can recommend delivery company if you send private e-mail.

 

[airbubble]

yes, always try to be there with the surveyor. If he's a bit decent, it'll teach you a lot about the boat, even without constantly interrupting his normal line of work for all kinds of q's.

agree with BarryH reply on all other q's

The schedule though looks a bit weird to me though it might be different over on your island with the long travelling times; `what happens if you discover a major hickup and want to walk away from the deal. Who pays the scheduled time of the surveyor ?
Also from the time remaining in this schedule, i gather you've only booked a structural hull survey , or does the boat go back in and test sail again, this time with the surveyor ?

 

[david_e]

distance - it's a sod but most yachts are on the s.coast. timing - have to work and family as well!
costs - in the uk it's all up to the buyer to get his end covered, no comebacks as far as I am aware. bit like buying a house.

 

[david_e]

Re: Answers

thanks, interesting points on transport. think that a saving of say £4-500 quid might be worth sailing, otherwise transport it.

 

[Guest]

As a guide I was quoted £1200 for a sea delivery from Whitby to Conwy and paid £800 for road + cranage with a company from N Wales.

 

[david_e]

Re: transport

interesting, can you recall the name of the transprt company?

 

[JeremyF]

Re: transport

For road transport I can thoroughly recommend Beverley Transport Services. £675 + VAT Hartlepool - Gosport. Nice guys and very careful. To get a good price, be flexible on the precise date, so they can slot schedules around so you arent paying for an empty return.

What are you looking at, David? Might this finally be the one for you?

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[Chris_Stannard]

Be careful on the Road transport costs, I got a price of £1300 to bring a boat back from Holland, and then found that getting it ready to transport was going to cost about £800 and getting it back in the water about another £500. This for a 37 footer, you did not say how big you boat was. I sailed the boat back from Holland with two friends, it took five days and we had a ball. Total cost with airfares and food was about £400.

If you are going to pay a deposit and have a survey you should insist that the boat cannot be used after the survey has been complete of you will have no guarantee that it is in the same condition.

If you want passage crew and do not have friends who will come advertise here , you may get someone.



Chris Stannard

 

[david_e]

Thanks Chris, useful info.

 

[extravert]

I used Seafix Transport to move my boat from Suffolk to North Wales. They are based in North Wales, it's good to support business in that end of the country. Their service was excellent.

One recommendation I had was to have the surveyor present when the boat is loaded onto the transporter, and tell the transport company that the boat cannot leave until the suveyor is satisfied that it is loaded correctly. It's a small amount of additional cost but may save a lot of bother.

Are you newly arriving at Pwllheli or are you based there already?

 

[david_e]

Thanks for the info, will ask them for a quote if it goes that way. Good point about the surveyor being present at the loading.

With your round Britain experience you would be a good 'volunteer' to skipper her back to Pwllheli (£3 a day, free food and drink!)

Am an old hand at Pwllheli, been on the marina since April. Last saw you when you were powerwashing your boat. Would have stopped but I was trying to find the kids!

Like your boat and was curious to learn why you didn't go in till mid summer?

 

[extravert]

I think it's getting a bit late in the season to be able to sail from the Solent to Pwllheli and be sure of being able to do it in a reasonable time. If you pay a professional skipper/crew then it's the risk that they take that it may take 2 weeks rather than the planned 3 days, but if you are doing it yourself or with friends that delay may be unacceptable.

Between the Solent and Pwllheli there are 3 parts that need reasonable weather and tides to get past: Portland Bill, Land's End and St David's Head. This Indian summer can't go on for much longer, I remember last Autumn was week after week of rotten weather. If that sort of weather were to arrive you may find your boat stuck somewhere inconvenient. I had the same dilemma when I bought my boat from Ipswich in February. In the end I decided to pay a man with a lorry.

The reason for my delayed launch this year was a new engine going in. I ordered a new Bukh mid January and the factory said delivery would be 5 weeks. It took 5 months to arrive. The experience I have time and time again with the marine industry is that they never honour their promised delivery dates, but that's the subject of a whole new thread. To be fair, Dickies were prompt in their part when it finally arrived.

 

[david_e]

Agree about the weather and the Marine industry. In general most people tend to find Dickies pretty good overall, think that the guys at Pwllheli office try really hard. I believe they have plans to expand the whole operation there and out workshops, staff etc on site full time, which can't be a bad thing.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Be there

Make sure that the surveyor has the full waight of the boat resting on the keel at some point, to ensure that the strength of the hull has not been comproimised by groundings.

 

[FlyingSpud]

Once an unconditional contract has been entered into you have to buy as I understand it, (or face being taken to Court), even if there has been damage etc. This means that you must have insurance on the boat from that time onward, even though it is not yours. House purchases work a similar way.
Generally, I would always leave a bit of time after the surveyor does his thing. Has there ever been a survey of a boat that has come back 100%? I doubt it. More time gives you the chance to look disinterested and knock the price down a bit more.
Anyway, by taking a breath or two, it gives you the chance to think about anyhting thrown up by the survey, and perhaps decide to pull out. I would think there is a danger of rushing yourself into a deal, somehting that is really the vendor/brokers job to do, and yours to resist.

 

[david_e]

Re: survey.

in order to check this would they not need access to the internal mouldings/cross member type structure. If so and they are screwed down should I mention it specifically to get this done. Have never been sure whether this is normal practice or not?

 

[david_e]

Re: contracts

Thanks, have been offered unconditional contracts before and steered well clear of them. It cost one dealer a new boat sale.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Re: survey.

Boats with internal moldings - grid structures - the damage cannot be seen from inside, as the only sysmpton in the early days is the progressinve delamination of the grid from the hull. Only way is to see if any significant deflection in the hull on loading the keel.

I have seen 2 boats bought with clean surveys (M&G 40 and Gibsea 32) bought by friends where the surveyor did not dothis test, and the first winter out resulted in urgent calls from their boatyards. The bill on the M&G was £25,000. The Gibsea was sold on - the new survey did not discover the problem.

Check with your surveyor how he proposes to test this.