Pirated software?

[BobOwen]

Seeing as C map and Navionics is apparently pirated data, where does that leave the users?

Which brings me to thinking that they can hardly sue anyone for copying their CD's now can they? Anyone want to send me a cracked Cmap CD pref world wide but Med will do :>)

EXTRACT - "However, C-Map and Navionics, two Italian companies with North American offices in the USA, have been pirating the CHS data and selling nautical charts for use with their proprietary hardware and software for a number of years. They have refused to sign a license agreement with NDI and have refused to pay NDI the royalties owed in contravention of the copyright in these charts. Moreover, these illegal sales by C-Map and Navionics have resulted in thousands of boaters unwittingly buying expensive hardware which can only display copyright infringing charts that are not based on CHS official data"

See here - http://www.digitalocean.ca/DigitalOceanE-Store/copyright_action.asp

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[Mike21]

Doesn't look like C-map or Navionics agree see here and applies only to Canadian charts not to any others.

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[Mariner]

This has been a long on going saga involving more than just C-Map and Navonics. In fact it has resulted in some companies pulling out of the Canadian market all together. Whether C-Map or Navonics are guilty or not this does not give you the right to copy their data.

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[kimhollamby]

Caution required please

This case relates specifically to Canada and dates back to July of this year. I don't know what the current situation is but will be enquiring.

While there were several disputes with other HOs around the world I think you'll find that both companies have agreements in force for much of their coverage these days.

More importantly we don't condone software piracy in any form and would strongly discourage anyone from being involved in, or appearing to encourage, such activity.

Two wrongs don't make a right, so even if that is the case not grounds for a free-for-all. Plus in fact, whatever the copyright situation of the original anyone taking it and adapting it to their own system will also have IP and copyright issues to defend. Not sure it is still the case but if we wanted to print an extract from an Imray chart, for example, used to have to get clearance from Imray and UKHO.

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[ShipsWoofy]

Re: Caution required please

Think you might lose 7/8's of your forumites if you got stringent on that one Kim

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[duncan]

Re: Caution required please

he said they discourage - not 'we will shoot any forumite found wittingly or unwittingly with priate software in their car, house, boat or on portable devices'..........thank goodness!

I am cleaning up this machine from just a couple of months of adware etc right now - could be pirate stuff for all I know and I certainly didn't install it!/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Talbot]

IIRC C-Map used to part own NDI, and the parting has been acrimonious. The results of this court battle may well have ramifications beyond Canadian shores

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[kimhollamby]

Yes discourage is right

I have no means of checking what you are all running and what you do on your own computer is of course down to you but the specific issue was not having this forum seen as supporting, however indirectly, software piracy.

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[BobOwen]

Re: Yes discourage is right

Supporting piracy? Bit heavy and serious aren't you ? - it was just meant as tongue in cheek - hence the smiley.

If joking about piracy is seen as supporting it, thats a sad day for any forum.

Anyway, reading both sides of this story, I would have thought that Cmap doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they are publishing Canadian charts and not paying the dues, then thats piracy. What they believe is a fair price is irrelevant. I believe Windows Xp should be a lot less, but it doesn't give me the right to copy it.
It also beggers the question, as to why they are paying what they consider fair payment into an escrow account, if in fact they don't owe anything.

Only an opinion - keep yer hats on!

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[kimhollamby]

Re: Yes discourage is right

Sorry, slight over-reaction but you would have been amazed the reaction I got from UKHO recently when someone posted a link to a bit of software that they had already closed down due to copyright issues on tides. A bit careful about these things, smiley or no...i

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[RocquaineBay]

I have heard many a strange debate on the notion of pirating. Does anyone here ever consider it okay to 'pirate' copy software? I confess to copying a few videos off the television now and then, and they are for my own use, but strictly speaking I supppose I am breaking copyright law. If so, does that make me a crook. What say you.....?

Isn't it more likely to be the case that most of us really hate thieves and the idea of ourselves stealing but at the same time, we just can not resist an economic (cheap) bargain?

........or would you rather not say anything at all
Mike

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[bedouin]

Technically I think that pirating software for personal use, while a breach of the 1988 act, is not a criminal offence (but don't quote me on that!).

However as one who has in the past made a living from selling software I am firmly against any actions that deprive software developers / manufacturers of their legitimate income.



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[duncan]

Re: Yes discourage is right

for clarity I couldn't agree more Kim (re the pposition you are in) - I was just responding to SWoofy's point.

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[Guest]

Masters and copies

A close friend of mine was travelling out to see me a while ago and passed via Heathrow Airport. Whe his bag was scanned on way to departure lounge .... he was interviewd by Customs etc. He had a large number of DVD Copies in his bag. They were not amused !!

He told them straight that they were copies of originals that he held at home and they could visit his house and verify that. He maintained that he would not carry cd's dvd's originals when travelling anymore after damaging others before.

Customs and Excise accepted his story - which actually I know is true - and he wnet on his way. They could not actually state exactly that he was correct - but they did not say he was wrong !!

I think this is similar to scans of Charts ..... technically wrong, but acceptable / excusable if for personal use and you hold the original.


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