tome
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How many boats has MV Solent Salvage plucked from the Brambles this weekend?
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Chris_Rayner
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New EU directive...
to do with environmentally friendly life boats? Could be the latest RYA keelboat transport for the Athens olympics.
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to do with environmentally friendly life boats? Could be the latest RYA keelboat transport for the Athens olympics.
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qsiv
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If I hadn't already got rather too many boats, I could be tempted by almost any (bar one) of those!
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Twister_Ken
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Lovely
Not a fin keel in sight.
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Not a fin keel in sight.
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jimi
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Council sea sweeper
obviously someyin daeing a wee bit o' tidying up!
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obviously someyin daeing a wee bit o' tidying up!
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shamrock
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Re: Council sea sweeper
is it one of them ships you sink until it floats 2m below the surface, then sneak into a marina in the dead of night, pick your favourite 10 yachts, then sneak out again and head off to the far east with a nice little cargo for re-distribution....
some of the marina staff I've known wouldn't notice this happening...
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is it one of them ships you sink until it floats 2m below the surface, then sneak into a marina in the dead of night, pick your favourite 10 yachts, then sneak out again and head off to the far east with a nice little cargo for re-distribution....
some of the marina staff I've known wouldn't notice this happening...
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qsiv
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Re: Lovely
and ther is even an apposite gaffer ahead of the transporter!
Talking of Brambles - I'm much exercised at the moment about taking my nice new thingy racing in the Solent come August. All the shallow bits round the edge, and features such as the Brambles will require our close attention at various times - but not too close as the forward rudder must on no account be allowed anywhere NEAR the putty, sand, rocks or wrecks.
Are there any published guidelines on locations depths over the Brambles that are updated to reflect the current status of the mid Solent shallows? Would some fancy software such as TotalTide be absolutely reliable - does it account for barometric effects for example (although
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and ther is even an apposite gaffer ahead of the transporter!
Talking of Brambles - I'm much exercised at the moment about taking my nice new thingy racing in the Solent come August. All the shallow bits round the edge, and features such as the Brambles will require our close attention at various times - but not too close as the forward rudder must on no account be allowed anywhere NEAR the putty, sand, rocks or wrecks.
Are there any published guidelines on locations depths over the Brambles that are updated to reflect the current status of the mid Solent shallows? Would some fancy software such as TotalTide be absolutely reliable - does it account for barometric effects for example (although
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tome
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Re: Lovely
The gaffer ahead is the next target!
I haven't seen a recent Brambles survey but could nip around it whilst recording position/depth data. What minimum depth are you looking for at CD?
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The gaffer ahead is the next target!
I haven't seen a recent Brambles survey but could nip around it whilst recording position/depth data. What minimum depth are you looking for at CD?
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Twister_Ken
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Parking on the Brambles,
As someone who once put a Swan411 onto them during a race, I'm probably not the best person to ask. The Brambles do creep (although not too dramatically) away from their charted posn and depths, but if you really want to mix it you might want to consider doing your own survey before the event.
Also, but no doubt you've thought of this, at the sort of speed you are predicting, in anything but light airs you won't take nearly such a knock from a strong counter tide as a slower competitor, so it might not harm your case to stay in slightly deeper water than they do.
As to sudden shocks, the ones that seem to get most Cowes racers are not the Brambles which give ample warming of their presence providing someone is watching the sounder, but Gurnard and Hampstead Ledges and less frequently Black Rock off of Yarmouth. You have got Peter Bruce's <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.cruising.org.uk/reviews/r38bruce.htm>Solent Hazards,</A> haven't you?
PS, If you are going surveying, it's useful to check out Lepe Spit as finding a way over that can save a bit of time.
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As someone who once put a Swan411 onto them during a race, I'm probably not the best person to ask. The Brambles do creep (although not too dramatically) away from their charted posn and depths, but if you really want to mix it you might want to consider doing your own survey before the event.
Also, but no doubt you've thought of this, at the sort of speed you are predicting, in anything but light airs you won't take nearly such a knock from a strong counter tide as a slower competitor, so it might not harm your case to stay in slightly deeper water than they do.
As to sudden shocks, the ones that seem to get most Cowes racers are not the Brambles which give ample warming of their presence providing someone is watching the sounder, but Gurnard and Hampstead Ledges and less frequently Black Rock off of Yarmouth. You have got Peter Bruce's <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.cruising.org.uk/reviews/r38bruce.htm>Solent Hazards,</A> haven't you?
PS, If you are going surveying, it's useful to check out Lepe Spit as finding a way over that can save a bit of time.
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boatless
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Re: Lovely
I'm in Ken's club. Bonced very hard three times at stupid speed on a wild wild run, X402 Cowes Week 86/7, and allowed a customer to drive hard into it - ended up dried on it. But, would say that, empirically, I've never been entirely sure that the Brambles route offers much escape from the tide?
Actually, reflecting over a cigar, I realise that I heve benefitted from the difference, but it was a very shallow draft wing keeler.
And also, you must have a fair difference between draft of rudder and bulb, so you'd have to get very wrong - it is quite flat topped.
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I'm in Ken's club. Bonced very hard three times at stupid speed on a wild wild run, X402 Cowes Week 86/7, and allowed a customer to drive hard into it - ended up dried on it. But, would say that, empirically, I've never been entirely sure that the Brambles route offers much escape from the tide?
Actually, reflecting over a cigar, I realise that I heve benefitted from the difference, but it was a very shallow draft wing keeler.
And also, you must have a fair difference between draft of rudder and bulb, so you'd have to get very wrong - it is quite flat topped.
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qsiv
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Re: Parking on the Brambles,
Yes Solent Tides is in the library! With the forward rudder drawing 7'6 (the keel draws 8') care will be needed.
Certainly when there is wind (unlike last year) I wont bother too much with the edges - but when the wind is light, then the edges, Brambles, Ryde et al have to be used. I take your point about the Brambles being easy to see - but equally you dont want to set off - only to find you wont have enough water, and have to take a hitch back into stronger tide. I certainly intend to explore the inshore route at Gurnard before racing, and put a strategic 'exit' waypoint - getting inside is easy - finding the exit under pressure less so!
I have quite a good mark for Lepe - Dennis Connor put his boat firmly aground during the AM Cup Jubilee!
As for the Brambles I suspect you're right - a quick check on the shllowest depth at HW a day or so before will go a long way, as will some prefab maths giving clearance heights at 15 minute intervals, courtesy of some spreadsheets before we go ..
As for your exploits, the late, great, Robson (of Channel Islands pilotage fame) said that the only way to be sure of your inshore pilotage was to bounce of a few rocks occaisonally.
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Yes Solent Tides is in the library! With the forward rudder drawing 7'6 (the keel draws 8') care will be needed.
Certainly when there is wind (unlike last year) I wont bother too much with the edges - but when the wind is light, then the edges, Brambles, Ryde et al have to be used. I take your point about the Brambles being easy to see - but equally you dont want to set off - only to find you wont have enough water, and have to take a hitch back into stronger tide. I certainly intend to explore the inshore route at Gurnard before racing, and put a strategic 'exit' waypoint - getting inside is easy - finding the exit under pressure less so!
I have quite a good mark for Lepe - Dennis Connor put his boat firmly aground during the AM Cup Jubilee!
As for the Brambles I suspect you're right - a quick check on the shllowest depth at HW a day or so before will go a long way, as will some prefab maths giving clearance heights at 15 minute intervals, courtesy of some spreadsheets before we go ..
As for your exploits, the late, great, Robson (of Channel Islands pilotage fame) said that the only way to be sure of your inshore pilotage was to bounce of a few rocks occaisonally.
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qsiv
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Re: Lovely
If we are going fast then shallow bits are NOT on the menu! I've just learned that the boat will start surfing off wind in TWS of as little as 10 knots, and will sit up and plane in flat water at 13 knots of wind...
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If we are going fast then shallow bits are NOT on the menu! I've just learned that the boat will start surfing off wind in TWS of as little as 10 knots, and will sit up and plane in flat water at 13 knots of wind...
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boatless
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Re: Lovely
If you're ever short of crew....
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If you're ever short of crew....
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