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Don't forget the warning posted previously about selling with PayPal. Just sold my outboard on ebay ( thanks for your advice on that). My instructions were to pay with PayPal, which the vendor (from Liverpool) promptly did.
I then remembered the advice posted on the forum. I investigated PayPals terms and realised that I had no security, even if I delivered it to his door, got his passport details, sworn affidavit whatever. If he denied getting it then PayPal could recover his money. The only secure way would be to use a delivery service with online tracking and a signature on delivery.
In the past I have used Paypal (and been secure) because I posted the items using just such a delivery service.
Clearly I would have had recourse to civil law but that could be non productive in the end. So the moral is to be cautious!!
 
pcatterall said:
Don't forget the warning posted previously about selling with PayPal. Just sold my outboard on ebay ( thanks for your advice on that). My instructions were to pay with PayPal, which the vendor (from Liverpool) promptly did.
I then remembered the advice posted on the forum. I investigated PayPals terms and realised that I had no security, even if I delivered it to his door, got his passport details, sworn affidavit whatever. If he denied getting it then PayPal could recover his money. The only secure way would be to use a delivery service with online tracking and a signature on delivery.
In the past I have used Paypal (and been secure) because I posted the items using just such a delivery service.
Clearly I would have had recourse to civil law but that could be non productive in the end. So the moral is to be cautious!!
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the very first item i sold on ebay was delivered by ordinary post, it was valued at about £4.
it was claimed non delivery & he reported me to ebay. the a/c was stopped. had he contacted me i would have refunded but he was out to cause me grief.
since then all items are sent signed for either in the post or preferably courier.
i missed an item on monday (4 led bulbs) they didnt sell,i contacted the seller & we dealt outside ebay i paid £10 via PP gift & not his starting price of £12. all very smooth items delivered today.
 
pcatterall said:
Don't forget the warning posted previously about selling with PayPal. Just sold my outboard on ebay ( thanks for your advice on that). My instructions were to pay with PayPal, which the vendor (from Liverpool) promptly did.
I then remembered the advice posted on the forum. I investigated PayPals terms and realised that I had no security, even if I delivered it to his door, got his passport details, sworn affidavit whatever. If he denied getting it then PayPal could recover his money. The only secure way would be to use a delivery service with online tracking and a signature on delivery.
In the past I have used Paypal (and been secure) because I posted the items using just such a delivery service.
Clearly I would have had recourse to civil law but that could be non productive in the end. So the moral is to be cautious!!
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Hardly a scam?
What about this, then?
https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security
As long as the goods are tracked, you are covered, arent you?
 
I always send stuff I sell on eBay via a tracked/signed for service. But even then, parcels can get "lost" and it's worth checking carefully sending them exactly how much compensation you might get, as well as whether the item is actually covered (because couriers' compensation schemes ban lots of categories of goods). I sent something last week worth £150, the parcel seemed to go astray, and I found to my horror that I'd only get £25 if it didn't turn up. Thankfully, it did, 3 days late.

I also reckon that the vast majority of people using eBay are basically honest.
 
Anotther PayPal scam, is for the "buyer" to wait until the very last day before sumbitting a PayPal claim for non delivery.

you then find some postal services only maintain the on line tracking for a few weeks, and by the time the "buyer" claims, the on line tracking info has been deleted, so the "buyer" wins.

But for a collect in person item, never, ever, ever accept PayPal.
 
ProDave said:
Anotther PayPal scam, is for the "buyer" to wait until the very last day before sumbitting a PayPal claim for non delivery.

you then find some postal services only maintain the on line tracking for a few weeks, and by the time the "buyer" claims, the on line tracking info has been deleted, so the "buyer" wins.

But for a collect in person item, never, ever, ever accept PayPal.
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As a purchaser Paypal is something I'd prefer to avoid, as a vendor it's something you'd be wise to avoid.
 
very happy with it

do thousands of pounds of business every year with it

much happier than splashing my credit card or bank details all over the place

mind you... most of the money is between fellow sailors or amazon

Dylan
 
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ebay ? ..frustratingly obstinate they are.
I bought hundreds of pounds worth of stuff through them without an incident.
Then one day I bought 3 nibs for 50p.
So I send off a postal order.
It gets delayed in a Post Office owing to industrial action.
Then the vendor lodges a complaint with ebay and my account gets suspended.
But the payment is collected and the nibs never arrive.
Despite endless protests nothing is done.
So I am done with them.
 
While we're at discussing things which make scamming easier the "Distance Selling Regulations" set up by our own dear Government are a scammers charter, and allow a similar scam without even needing to touch paypal.

I have read through the onerous rules and regulations placed on retailers who decide to submit themselves to the whims of mail order and have found that the following scenario is not only possible, but SUPPORTED by the DSR.

Scammer buys goods by mail order, Retailer sends goods, Scammer gets goods signs a squiggle to the courier. Scammer contacts company in that first 7 days of 'receipt' : "I never got the goods, I want to cancel my order, refund my payment including your delivery charge" (Under DSR the company MUST do this and refund the full amount WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO INSIST ON THE RETURN OF THE GOODS - The company may attempt to put up a defence to this by saying "But you signed for it", Scammer "No, I didn't, I wasn't here - must have been a neighbour, I didn't get it" - Seriously, the DSR now SUPPORTS the scammer.

If the retailer (bear in mind, possibly a small family business with limited resources) wants to dispute this they FIRST have to refund the money, and THEN take the scammer to court.....

And I thought the Government was all about encouraging UK businesses!
 
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