Passport CI'S ?What about IOM?

[fergie_mac66]

You have to report to HMRC If you sail to and from CI's without calling in to France .What about IOM? I go to IOM once or twice a year never take passport IOM isnt even part of the EU .Should you fill in a C form and report to HMRC on return ?

The Channel Islands, which include the independent States of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, are the only remaining components of the "Duchy of Normandy" which still belong to the British Crown.

The United Kingdom (including the Channel Islands, but without the Isle of Man) is a member of the European Union. The Isle of Man maintains free-trade agreements with the EU, but is not a member.

 

[guernseyman]

The Channel Islands, which include the independent States of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, are the only remaining components of the "Duchy of Normandy" which still belong to the British Crown.

The United Kingdom (including the Channel Islands, but without the Isle of Man) is a member of the European Union. The Isle of Man maintains free-trade agreements with the EU, but is not a member.

Special terms were negotiated for the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey on the UK’s accession to the EEC. These are contained in Protocol 3 to the Treaty of Accession. The effect of the protocol is that the Bailiwicks are within the Common Customs Area and the Common External Tariff (i.e. they enjoy access to EEC countries of physical exports without tariff barriers). Other Community rules do not apply to the Bailiwicks.

On pedantic points, the 'Channel Islands' include Chausey which is a French possession, while the Bailiwicks belong to the English Crown. I'm not sure if there is a British Crown, but perhaps someone could enlighten me.

 

[jimi]

On pedantic points, the 'Channel Islands' include Chausey which is a French possession, while the Bailiwicks belong to the English Crown. I'm not sure if there is a British Crown, but perhaps someone could enlighten me.

small matter in 1707..

 

[guernseyman]

You have to report to HMRC If you sail to and from CI's without calling in to France .What about IOM? I go to IOM once or twice a year never take passport IOM isnt even part of the EU .Should you fill in a C form and report to HMRC on return ?

[/U]

Although, as I said above, the CI are not part of the EU, HMRC have a shifting idea whereby they are treated as part of the EU if you are sailing from the UK to the CI, but are treated as not part of the EU if you arrive in the UK from the CI.

However, the CI together with UK, Ireland, and IoM are part of the Common Travel Area and passports are not required for travel within the area. That is not to say that identification documents may not be required, but that requirement may be satisfied by, for example, a driving licence.

 

[Angele]

The United Kingdom (including the Channel Islands, but without the Isle of Man) is a member of the European Union. The Isle of Man maintains free-trade agreements with the EU, but is not a member.

As Guernseyman correctly states, the Channel Islands are not member states of the EU and nor are they part of the United Kingdom.

He should know because he is a donkey. I should know because I am a crapaud. (For those of you not in the know, these are the names we islanders call each other).

 

[ferrymaniom]

However, the CI together with UK, Ireland, and IoM are part of the Common Travel Area and passports are not required for travel within the area. That is not to say that identification documents may not be required, but that requirement may be satisfied by, for example, a driving licence.

FWIW, as an IOM resident, I use my driving licence as ID if flying to the 'adjacent isle' - it's the airlines that require some form of ID, not customs or immigration (there is no immigration check). If I'm using the ferry, I'll normally be driving so carry my licence (I know I don't have to, but feel it would simplify things if stopped by the plod whilst away from home).

Strictly speaking, I don't think you need any form of ID to travel between the UK and IOM, but in that case you won't be flying by commercial airline.

 

[IanH]

This

FWIW, as an IOM resident, I use my driving licence as ID if flying to the 'adjacent isle' - it's the airlines that require some form of ID, not customs or immigration (there is no immigration check). If I'm using the ferry, I'll normally be driving so carry my licence (I know I don't have to, but feel it would simplify things if stopped by the plod whilst away from home).

Strictly speaking, I don't think you need any form of ID to travel between the UK and IOM, but in that case you won't be flying by commercial airline.

is what I believe to be the case too. Never asked for id on the boat always on the plane. We and the UK have the common purse agreement in relation to customs and excise so absolutely free trade between the two islands. I thought that the relationship with the CIs was different.

I.

 

[Amphitrite]

At least when I sailed to the IOM from Holyhead some years ago, I as a JonnyForeigner was not asked any proof of ID... just had a pleasant chat with the harbourmaster in Port St. Mary.

 

[Angele]

I thought that the relationship with the CIs was different.

No. It is the same.

 

[guernseyman]

No. It is the same.

Except insofar as IanH, above, mentions the common purse arrangement between UK and IoM.

The history of UK tax is quite different down in the CI, where two attempts by the UK in the last century to tax us were resoundingly rebuffed.

 

[Angele]

Except insofar as IanH, above, mentions the common purse arrangement between UK and IoM.

The history of UK tax is quite different down in the CI, where two attempts by the UK in the last century to tax us were resoundingly rebuffed.

Sorry, yes. You are quite right. My "it is the same" was a reference to the need (or otherwise) for ID - not about C&E duties - since I think that is what most of the thrust of this thread is about.

As an extra thought, even if not strictly necessary, I would always suggest taking your passport with you when sailing between the UK and the CI since, if you end up stopping off in France on the way, it is not unheard of for the French to want to see it.

 

[rjandhl]

I think that that the HMRC requirement when returning from the CI's is that VAT is liable on imports over a certain value from the CI's. I would guess that it would be the same from the IoM. If you put into another EU port, eg Cherbourg, prior to arriving in the UK the question of VAT etc would be dealt with by customs at the first EU port. Passports are a separate issue and are not required for travel between CI's and UK. Commercial carriers would be required to check passengers' identities and passports are a logical way of doing so, but other forms, such as photo driving licences, maybe accepted.

 

[IanH]

nope

I think that that the HMRC requirement when returning from the CI's is that VAT is liable on imports over a certain value from the CI's. I would guess that it would be the same from the IoM.QUOTE]

UK and IoM one territory as far as VAT concerned. CE not interested cos VAT paid in IoM is same as in UK.

I.

 

[Billjratt]

just to throw a poisson-rouge on the barbie, as it were, should we not be more concerned with the lack of NHS reciprocal on IOM now, as the cost of hospitalisation is likely to be more painful than a chat with the customs man. (or did I get it wrong?)

 

[Boreades]

It's amazing how we still tolerate these feudal overlord arrangements, dating back to the Norman Conquest. In case you all need reminding, that's when a bunch of Norseman (who had invaded what we now call Normandy) moved on and invaded the British Isles. HM Queen's Duchy of Normandy titles still remain (much like her son's Duchy of Cornwall, even though it's only a lease)

 

[Angele]

It's amazing how we still tolerate these feudal overlord arrangements, dating back to the Norman Conquest. In case you all need reminding, that's when a bunch of Norseman (who had invaded what we now call Normandy) moved on and invaded the British Isles. HM Queen's Duchy of Normandy titles still remain (much like her son's Duchy of Cornwall, even though it's only a lease)

Yes, and Channel Islanders formed part of the force that accompanied William to the Battle of Hastings to give the English a kicking.

The Islands chose to remain loyal to the English monarchy at a time when all the other overseas possessions (eg Normandy) were being lost, and for that they got their privileged status. Turn it the other way round, if they hadn't been offered a privileged status, I doubt they would have remained loyal.

Better the devil you know, etc.

 

[Angele]

just to throw a poisson-rouge on the barbie, as it were, should we not be more concerned with the lack of NHS reciprocal on IOM now, as the cost of hospitalisation is likely to be more painful than a chat with the customs man. (or did I get it wrong?)

... and that too is the same with the Channel Islands. The UK terminated their reciprocal health arrangements with both Jersey and Guernsey early last year. A cost saving measure, I believe.

I challenged an insurer last year as to why their travel insurance did not provide healthcare cover for trips to the CI. They told me they were in the process of amending their policy wording. I haven't checked to see if it is now covered.

 

[IanH]

Actually

just to throw a poisson-rouge on the barbie, as it were, should we not be more concerned with the lack of NHS reciprocal on IOM now, as the cost of hospitalisation is likely to be more painful than a chat with the customs man. (or did I get it wrong?)

There is a reciprocal agreement at the moment. The UK Gov agreed to a six month extension pending negotiations. We wait to hear the outcome of those negotiations.

Ian