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Re: An illustration of that point, perhaps

d'you not think its the exquisite use of language such that every pronouncement by this government I read ... and read ... and read again because i know that i am being told porkies. well ... actually, I don't as I would imagine most people don't as we've better things to do ...

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Hah - bloody car benefits!! With the latest regime of taxing car benefits, my sales managers that did the most mileage, (those who's cars are a genuine tool of their trade), were the heaviest hit! (My tax, although high, hardly changed. Next up, those with the biggest Hard Drives on their notebooks? Yes I know buy your own cars - but not every salesman is confident in doing that, he has a risk. Anyway I digress from the original post..

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Just think about it.

Would you like to be an oppressed person living in a dictatorship today?

Who will bother/dare to come to your aid in the future?

John

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No one has bothered to com to the aid of the victims of the genocidal regime in Zimbabwe.
And if we do go to war it should be on the proper understanding of the proper reasons .. not some cobbled up excuse backed by spurious intelligence contrary to the wishes of the UN.

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Agreed. The list of dictatorial and brutal regimes that we not only have done nothing about (such as Pol Pot's Cambodia) but are doing nothing about, right now (such as Zimbabwe, North Korea and Somalia) is a great deal longer than the list of brutal regimes that we have done something about ( Sierra Leone, thanks to a "maverick" Ambassador who stood up for common decency, rather than because of Government policy)

Blair never attempted to "sell" his war to this country, in Parliament or outside it, on the grounds of regime change. He sold us his war on the basis of "WMD".

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"Where's Michael Moore when you really need him? "

He's probably posting as "The Duke" on the political board on CannabisWorld.com... Very informative site, all in all. Seriously.

As for Tony Blair, he deserves to be called to account for continually prostituting this country to the U.S. in return for favours done half a century ago. He knew perfectly well that the WMD argument was tosh. He just thought it would be years before anybody noticed. He has just been the least able, of all our recent PM's, to hide the bending of this country at the knees to accomodate the urges of the President of the U.S. of A.

I would love to know...

...how exactly Tony and George's Puppeteer(s) decided to share the spoils of Iraq.

...how much foreign policy is really influenced by the Bilderbergers.

...what will happen when the level of voter apathy (or 'desire for a shift to a more representative form of government', as I like to call it) rises that critical 2%; when only the minority of those eligible to vote, choose to vote; when Parliament no longer has a mandate to rule.

...what's for dinner.

...what I'm still doing at work righting illegible posts at 17:18 when I should be heading to my boat!

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Well I don't even subscribe to the view that "favours" were done half a century ago! The necessary "heading off at the pass" that took place was a fortunately shared view of the two people in charge at the time. Because it would have been a hell of a lot harder on the other side. OK maybe the U.S. entry was somewhat engineered but it had to be done. The recent aleged engineering wasn't quite so well thought through!

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"The necessary "heading off at the pass" that took place was a fortunately shared view of the two people in charge at the time."

Not entirely sure that I follow your argument

I read it as meaning it is "fortunate" that >11,000 Iraqis, several hundred Americans and far too many British people have lost thier lives

Surely I have read it wrong.

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Re: An outsider\'s view

Since the previous recruitment system produced:-

Philby
McLean
Blunt
Burgess
Cairncross
Blake
Hollis - (maybe)

I am less than convinced returning to it would be a positive advantage no matter how non-PC

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Sorry if my reply was a bit obtuse. I meant that no way was the American intervention in WW2, a favour or to help us out of a spot, as was inferred. Pearl Harbour achieved in a roundabout way what Roosevelt and Churchill had campaigned. Iraq however is a disaster for the two leaders involved and they should be held accountable for it.

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Iraq however is a disaster for the two leaders involved and they should be held accountable for it.

They will be, and as a punishment we will lose some more BBC controllers, a police commissioner and a few innocent civil servants.

See the Butler thread for details!

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