Osmosis...the horror, the horror...or not, as the case may be

Does anyone know of a boat actually sinking because of osmosis? As I see it it just ends up a tad heavier!
Depending what "osmosis" is :confused: certainly not by what I know from biology...

Quite frankly: laminate soaks water by a capillary action, it gets into places where glass is not completely filled with resin (never 100% possible), so if there is much porosity, then lots of water will get in. This water will dissolve some chemicals from resin, can also freeze and expand etc. So this may result in some delamination of material, in turn making it possible to get more water in, and so on.
Therefore quality is an answer, both resin quality and workmanship - glass must be saturated as much as possible. Sloppy work makes material more porous. Water travels along fibers, especially thick 'strands' as those are hard to get saturated inside. Capillary effect. Much less water can get across resin itself.
In older boats, made when resin was cheap, plenty of it was slapped on, there was much less fiber in laminate compared to "modern" ones. As strength of laminate depends on amount of fiber - later many methods were devised to save on resin amount, as this got expensive. So later laminates were thinner with same glass amount, but this may result in more porosity. Also such thinner laminate is less stiff.

So called osmosis was rare in boats made with clear resin, not compromised with whatever cheap mixed in, and thick layup, from before '70 year. Just some blisters in gelcoat only. Not much to worry, and anyway hulls had excess strength.
Then it got much worse when hulls started to be thinner - and I heard opinion from proffs this was caused by insufficient stiffness. Opinion was GRP must be designed to stay stiff. Once it flexes there is some cracking of gelcoat, glass detaching from resin, or breaking, micro-delaminations between layers - all this water can get into and act.
Then this idea was employed of making thin gelcoat (less cracks) reinforced by thin mat, this in more "resistant" iso resin. Then followed by structural laminate made normally (i.e cheaply as always). Interestingly this caused even more problems, because gelcoat and this first thin mat was made separately from the rest, with different resin, left a while to harden initially - so an area of possible delamination was created. Iso resin was indeed water resistant, so blisters formed behind it, between those layers, behind the first mat. And such were a bit bigger than just those old small ones forming inside the gelcoat itself :p
But all this is only skin deep.

More seriously: boat that had real voids, GRP turned to kind of wet jelly going almost all hull thickness (and thick it was) in few places; mentioned above. Worst at waterline. I'd say this was wrong mix or layup at the spot, soaked, then damaged by freezing. Going on they would sink the boat. Scraped off, patched with epoxy.

Boats (two sistership) that took water on launch, in second year... On examination areas were found (one at stern, other just after keel) with hardly a resin in layup! area of few sq feet, roving practically dry in places, mat a bit wet. Seem only gelcoat kept them on water before... Producer was contacted.

Boat that developed voids (big delaminations) inside the layup, after a few seasons. Discovered by sound. Were filled with thin epoxy through drilled holes, but after a season delaminated again.

Friend was involved with racing boats on Bodensee. Some were getting soft in outer layers of hull, so you could scrape the GRP off with finger. They were sanded down or planed, then few layers of new glass/epoxy. Without making new layers of good laminate over they would probably break.

But all this can be spotted before boat actually sinks. Unless no-one is watching.
 
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When talking about osmosis, we need to consider the costs and benefits of all available options. However, I am not aware of any yacht sinking because of osmosis (unless the boat suffers from delamination). I am lucky in that my boat is 42 years old and the grp hull is well over one inch thick in places.

Must be very annoying having a newish boat, costing a lot of money, that suffers from osmosis and is for sale; the surveyors will play on the osmosis issue and the boatyard will make a lot of money; or the potential buyer will take the opportunity to offer much less; the whole thing is over the top.
 
Added to that is the latest fashion of epoxy coating older hulls, there are wet spots in any older hull and after a few years these cause the new epoxy coating to bubble up. Our yard has been taking on work to sort a few of these out that were done a while ago, but it's a nightmare because the epoxy coating is much harder than the gel coat so it's very difficult to just sand off the epoxy coating. Still it's a new income stream in the osmosis industry.
 
How many grp fishing boats are out there? how many have had any blister treatment? and how many have sunk or been condemned by survey?
I looked into this when buying an older grp boat a few years ago and research suggested one or two that were structurally unsound a photo showed blisters into several layers of the moulding not just gel coat and like a football in diameter. I'm convinced it's a cosmetic problem but it won't help you sell the boat if you have to.
 
the surveyors will play on the osmosis issue and the boatyard will make a lot of money; or the potential buyer will take the opportunity to offer much less; the whole thing is over the top.

As was ever the case. Get some "professional" involved, who are looking out for liability issues, and they will over-report findings so that every survey they undertake has a problem.

In housing the buyers surveys used to throw up damp, then subsidence, then it was chloridation of the foundation slab, I don't know what they find these days but you can be certain the fix costs thousands and has a developing industry keen to part you from your money.

In fact, read this previous thread http://www.ybw.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-110784.html
 
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As for surveyors - I like mine, hope he won't have anything against being cited here:

" . Fifty-seven sample patches of anti-fouling paint removed for inspection of the underlying surface; epoxy paint has been applied over the original gel-coat.
There are a number of indents in the gel-coat layer; these are considered to be the remains of blisters that have been sanded back flush with the surface.

Moisture readings, taken with a ‘Tramex Plus’ capacitance meter on scale two, (relative scale) were found to be high.

RECOMMENDATION.
The epoxy coating/s have provided a degree of protection over what is now a defective gel-coat layer and the preferred method of repair would be for the underwater gel-coat to be removed, the exposed laminate to be washed and dried and five coats of epoxy solvent-free paint applied.

The costs to do this work will be high making it uneconomical for a boat of this age and value, a lesser alternative might be to air-dry the hull during a winter lay-up and to fill the indents with epoxy filler before applying a coat of epoxy tar paint overall.
Given the heavy duty lay-up of the hull moulding, the degree of blistering is not such a disadvantage as it would be for a modern hull built to a lighter specification." (underlining mine :) )

To make things clear and in perspective: hull is 40 years old, laminate well saturated with resin for my eye. Gelcoat is very thick and cracking, in few places some small bits just fell of, chipped from impact probably.
Boat was painted twice in her life, second time 10 years back, bottom with VC-tar kind epoxy paint (Blakes), onto gelcoat that was just sanded for preparation and repaired with filler where needed (not much of it really). It was not called "epoxy treatment" ;)
This epoxy paint, now two layers, still holds, but there are a few "blisters" that epoxy has detached from gelcoat (no osmosis in gelcoat as such) or newer cover from older epoxy. They are small, about 10-15 mm - I intend to clean and touch up with epoxy paint, before antifouling.
edit: should add: drying of bottom is impossible on this boat - whole bilge is glassed over to serve as watertank so it soaks from inside...

Hope this may be of help for someone in similar situation.
 
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When I started boating in the mid 80's everyone was obsessed with osmosis. Virtually every month, every magazine would have some scare story, usually with some sort of big front page headline. There would be knowledgeable people (i.e. like professors of osmosis in boats), lecturing us endlessly about the technicalities of osmosis and how it all works. It was always very negative and the picture painted was that our boats once infected are doomed to break up or at least destroy us financially.

Well all I can say is that I have been around boats since buying my first in 1986 and I have never once heard of a boat suffering any sort of structural problem due to osmosis. In fact I have only heard of about three boats having any issues with osmosis in all that time. Apparently there is something like 6000 boats in the Clyde estuary where our boats have always been sailed, so you would think that if it was a big issue, I would have heard something in all that time.
 
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