Oil Filter - stuck

[mjf]

Hi,

Drained the sump oil at the w/e on the RIB (yam 4 stroke).

Problem - I cannot shift the oil filter to change it for new.

I tried a baby boa thingy last night and the rubber loop simply parted after denting the canister.

Why do the factory do these up so tight? How do i remove it.

Suggestions welcome please.

 

[duncan]

bash a large screwdriver straight through the filter and use that as lever

you can try and do the whole thing inside a strong plastic carrier bag - or you can just get oil everywhere and clean up later...............I usually try the former but end up doing the latter (which is actually a good way to change the filter anyway)

of course the other way is to use a really good quality filter wrench - Col has an absolutely brill one; I have a 'proper one' but it's still nothing like his which has hobnailed curved metal plates.

 

[rickp]

After Andyball and I struggled to shift the filter on my generator using the boa-style things, I got myself a claw-type which seems to work well. The legs do crunch the oil filter a bit as they tighten, but the filter didn't leak.

There are any number of other tools out there to chose from though, each with their pros & cons.

Rick

 

[mjf]

The bag idea is good as oil will indeed go everywhere. But i wanted to avoid this method if possible - hence the wrench ploy which ended in failure.

The problem is that the blessed thing is very inaccessable - except from the top, ie there is little room around the sides to get any real purchase.

 

[peterb26]

I'm with Duncan. Big screwdriver, big bash, job done.

Its messy but it works!

Put the new one back on with a little vaseline on the seal too.

 

[mjf]

Brillant advice - the Sealey AK642 looks like it will be perfect.


Thanks Rick, appreciate the link.

 

[duncan]

if you are really concerned about the oil then drill a hole near the top of the filter first and use a pela oil pump thingy fed to the bottom of the filter to suck out the oil as well.

inaccessability is the bane of this game though as you say. rickp's claw on a 3/8 extension from below should be able to get the puppy too surely?

 

[mjf]

Yes cos it looks as if you do not need side access.

Agree with these designs - either you have no side access (like in my case) or there is just enough room from below to allow the unit to squeeze out...

 

[sarabande]

Silly question, but it has been known to happen - especially to non-engineers...

Are you undoing it in the right direction ? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[mjf]

Yes - thought the same myself at one point......... Might be worth attempting a clockwise turn in case the builders changed the thread.

 

[DavidJ]

There is a review of filter wrenches here
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/products/53433/oil_filter_wrenches.html

I use the ITC wrench (from Halfords) with good results although I quite like the look of the claw type mentioned earlier

 

[mjf]

Thanks - very useful too

 

[DavidJ]

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Might be worth attempting a clockwise turn in case the builders changed the thread.

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I can't believe any builder or filter manufacturer would make a left hand thread for this application....don't even bother trying, it will get you into more trouble than you are already in.
David

 

[Steve Clayton]

Get yourself a large jubilee clip that fits around the filter. Position the tightening screw so once tightened up you can hit the head with a drift and a hammer.
Works every time - no need to bang a screwdriver through and then have oil all over the place.

 

[peterb26]

[ QUOTE ]
Get yourself a large jubilee clip that fits around the filter. Position the tightening screw so once tightened up you can hit the head with a drift and a hammer.
Works every time - no need to bang a screwdriver through and then have oil all over the place.

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Fantastic solution Steve!

 

[duncan]

[ QUOTE ]
Get yourself a large jubilee clip that fits around the filter. Position the tightening screw so once tightened up you can hit the head with a drift and a hammer.

[/ QUOTE ] - which is normally consistent with the position to tighten it as well .........

bugger - forgot this one! good call..........

 

[gjgm]

did the screwdriver trick once. Filter eventually came off, leaving its top with the thead still on the engine. And that took forever to resolve!

 

[mjf]

Brilliant! Thanks for that.

have to say what a great place this is when you need a bit of moral / technical support.

 

[ms1]

rather than the screwdriver puncture method I have had sucess with a short piece of chain and a screwdriver, using the screwdriver tourniquet style then turning.

 

[mjf]

After all this advice and guidance today - if it will not come loose next time I try (will it ever stop raining?). I intend to simply jump into the river and give up..........