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Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

A stand-off has continued overnight on board two Irish Ferries vessels docked at the Welsh ports of Pembroke and Holyhead.

It follows yesterday's decision by the company to proceed with its controversial policy of outsourcing jobs by bringing in cheaper, agency staff from Eastern European countries to replace more expensive Irish workers.

Welsh police have been monitoring the situation on the Isle of Inismore, at Pembroke, where the company put extra security personnel in place yesterday as agency staff were being brought on for training.

A similar situation prevails on the Ulysses at Holyhead.

Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has condemned the situation which has developed on Irish Ferries' vessels.

The decision by Irish Ferries to press ahead with plans to replace its Irish crew with cheaper foreign labour was largely expected. But unions are furious at the manner in which the company has chosen to execute its controversial plan.

On two Irish Ferries vessels yesterday, private security staff who boarded as passengers changed into uniform as the ships docked at Holyhead and
Pembroke. At both ports, agency staff from Eastern Europe were ready to board the ships, to begin training. In Pembroke, crew members locked themselves into the engine room in protest.

The company claims it had no choice as it would go out of business if it retains Irish staff at Irish rates of pay for the next two years.

But the Seamens' Union of Ireland - which had supported the redundancy plan for its members - and SIPTU - which was opposed - have said they are appalled by the company's tactics.

This followed the Taoiseach's statement that the Government was powerless in the dispute. But SIPTU argued that laws could be changed to protect Irish jobs and prevent the exploitation of foreign workers.

After the latest developments the Taoiseach condemned the company for ignoring a Labour Court recommendation and said it had gone to unacceptable resorts which were at odds with the proper way to conduct industrial relations.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/1125/icg.html

Isle of Inishmore and Ulysses
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

Don't suppose it will do any good but this is what I sent to Irish Ferries yesterday, and I mean it!

[ QUOTE ]
Whatever your "justification" for this disgraceful attempt at displacing
the indigenous workforce you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.


As an Irishman, I am disgusted with your company and I tell you now that,
at whatever cost and inconvenience to me, I shall NEVER use your services
again if this goes ahead now or at any time in the future

[/ QUOTE ]
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

The seafaring profession in currently being overwhelmed by East Europeans on a worldwide scale. Flag or state of ownership doesn't seem to make any difference.
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

Nice one, I've sent similar words myself.

I actually worked one summer on the Ulysses, great bunch of lads and a nice ship, but what a cowboy company, couldn't get out of it quick enough.
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

followed your link and gave them an indication that they were as a management team totally wrong in pursuing profit whilst ignoring the fact that they have enough surplus to build and lease ships which we in Ireland never get to use, as the Normandy is a heap of scrap frequently smelling of animal urine and way below what one would expect in terms of seakeeping and safety.Also the AIS unit if fitted to the Normandy is not showing up on the AIS screen, which I believe is a contravention of SOLAS and GMDSS regulations due to be implemented since 2003.
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

The behaviour of Irish Ferries is absolutely disgraceful, and I will not be using them if they get away with this.

Does anyone know if the routes are franchised/licensed by the Irish and UK governments?
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

No, in our wonderful free market economies, there is no such control exercised by individual governments, in this case, pity!
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

This dispute about "social dumping" is taking on a European dimension with calls for employee protection:

<ul type="square"> Pressure grows for EU ferries Directive to combat social dumping
Unions defer talks on new pact in row over employment standards [/list]

Also, a current issue in the Baltic:

<ul type="square"> Court upholds Viking's right to negotiate with foreign unions on reflagged ship [/list]

EDIT: Incidentally, the Court of Appeal in London last month backed the Finnish seafarers' union in the dispute with Viking who are trying to replace a Finnish crew with an Estonian crew on Rosella. The case now goes to the European Court of Justice.

Haven't been able to find a weblink, but this was reported in December's Labour Research, published by LRD, a union supported research organisation (not connected to Labour Party).
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

Here's the latest report regading the negiations.

SIPTU 'not optimistic' over ferries row

PS. these guys are still in the control room onboard the Isle of Inishmore! I see that the UK media are still not really picking up on this story except for local reports like this one

NUMASThave had some reports, but this is very much preaching to the converted!
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

this is nothing new - it has been going on for decades in the 'british merchant navy'

this new trend of using eu members from our new partners has one major worrying aspect - the undisputable dilution of safety and maritime standards - I dont care what anyone says, third world maritime labour is inferior to our home grown mariners, I have experienced it over the last 20 yrs first hand.

I hope this issue is promalgated in such a way that it hits the operator where they notice - in their pockets .......... dont use them, instead use carriers who employ properly qualified seafarers.

this issue was fought and lost on the swansea/cork route a few years ago .......... thats why the cancer of cheap and cheerful has now hit irish ferries. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif and will creep into all the other routes around our coasts as operators clamour to maximise profit at the expense of safety.
 
Re: waking up and smelling the coffee

Lot of kneejerk tabloidism hereabouts. Is there another side to this story, i wonder? It's natural for those with nice high salary want to protect their livelihood.
But others might do the same job for less. The prices of feries might then come down to compete with alternatives, one of which might be to go bust, the other one of which is cheaper air travel. It's the job of directors of the company to act in the best interests of the shareholders who won't thank them for going bust for (literally) flag-waving patriotism.

Oh, and they're eastern europeans. But the irish came to uk mainland to offer their labour better/cheaper in days gone by. Praps they were badmouthed as well? Those irish who emigrated to the US a hundred years ago seem to have done ok for that country.

My own experience of some eastern europeans is reasonable - some do a fabtastic job, and others not such a fantastic job - like many other groupings.

Safety mustn't be compromised, of course. But otherwise, some of the comments seem almost racist - the assumption being that all eastern europeans will do a worse job than any of the indigenous population.
 
Re: waking up and smelling the coffee

of course its nice to protect your job - but high salary ? these mariners arnt on high salaries compared with like with like ....... compared with eastern europeans then yes they are but they live in the uk or ireland /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

as for genralisations - yes they are dodgy ...... but on the whole I have found eastern mariners less educated/qualified than our home grown mariners .... I have experienced it over the years including a chief officer accredited with eastern european certificates as a c/o with a dce chem only to find out he had not been on a tanker before let alone a chemi tanker ........ ex XXXXXX navy as a nco and was given it on retiring ......... FFS

so please dont give me the racist s h i t - I am not racist in the least but am prepared to call a spade a spade.

so going back to my original thrust ........ less qualified/educated mariners pose a reduction in safety standards..... and the cork swansea fery is a fine example of what you will get on the irish ferries if it goes ahead ................

go and see for yourself /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Re: waking up and smelling the coffee

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Lot of kneejerk tabloidism hereabouts

[/ QUOTE ]

I think that the fact that people who are qualified and experienced Merchant Navy Officers are posting here means that this comment is ill expressed.

Here are some interesting extracts (and full link is given so "spin" cannot be labeled on them).

"Irish Ferries operates ferries across the Irish sea between Ireland and Britain. Last year the company made a profit of €20m . They now claim that they are facing financial problems if they do not take action, and they plan to re-register as Cypriot and have given staff the option of 'voluntary' redundancy, or up to 50% cut in pay and conditions or dismissal to be replaced with Latvian workers earning €3.60/hr (Irish Ferries' chief executive enjoyed a salary increase of €35,000 last year, bring his salary to €687,000 - or €350/hr). The Irish minimum wage is €7.65. This process, condemned by the Irish Government, tears up a three year agreement made between Irish Ferries and unions twelve months ago."

http://www.tuc.org.uk/international/tuc-11142-f0.cfm

This shows the financial background of Irish Ferries.

"ONE of Latvia’s top maritime officials believes Irish Ferries will be forced to look elsewhere for ships’ officers because “even Filipinos would not work for such a wage”.
Jazeps Spridzans, the director of the Latvian seamen’s register, told Leta, the Latvian national press agency, that the Riga-based firm tasked with recruiting staff at €3.60 an hour will have to source contract staff from poorer former Eastern Bloc countries rather than Latvia, where ships’ officers command better rates on German and Scandinavian ships. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1902733,00.html

Here we see further evidence of the company wishes to exploit its sea staff and increase profitability.

There are of course two sides to every story, but I think it's a shame that people can see cheap fares as a justification to exploiting foreign labour forces.
 
Re: waking up and smelling the coffee

in the interests of the shareholders should the DIRECTORS of the company not sack themselves and replace themselves with cheaper alternatives from- say russia ? plenty entrepreneurs there apparently.
funnily enough i can recall no instance of this happening to date.
isnt it curious how companies have to pay the highest rates to attract the best directors, ie have the dearest directors but can get bye with the cheapest workers.
 
Re: replacement title.....

in the index the last title could be read as suggesting that i was the object to be smelt on waking up. this post is for the sole reason of rectifying that erroneous impression. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

Finally a breakthrough has arrived.

After many days of talks between Unions and Irish Ferries at the Labour Relations Commission, the end is in sight.

The company will be allowed to flag out its vessels but must pay all sea staff the minimum IRISH wage (second highest in EU). Also the existing staff who do not wish to accept redundancy will be allowed to remain in their positions with existing terms and conditions of employment. Finally, the deal is underpinned by a binding legal agreement under Irish law.


Seems like a win-win result for all concerned. No steam rolling of Irish (and UK!) staff, no exploitation of non national staff and reduced costs for the company.

Obviously, there may be other developments and twists to this story, but for the moment it's a good result.
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

I am please for those who stood up to be counted. was numast involved ?

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Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

As a former NUMAST member I can honestly say;

What do you think...?
 
Re: Officer\'s barricaded in Isle of Inishmore Control Room

lol - thats why I asked ....... hehehe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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