Oceanis 37 vs Sun Odyssey 36i people capacity

[psousa]

Hi guys!

Can anyone explain me why a bigger boat have less 2 (10) people capacity then a smaller one (12) for the same navigation zone?

Beneteau Oceanis 37 (LOA 11,48): c10
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 36i (LOA 10,94): c12

 

[pvb]

Hi guys!

Can anyone explain me why a bigger boat have less 2 (10) people capacity then a smaller one (12) for the same navigation zone?

Beneteau Oceanis 37 (LOA 10,94): c10
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 36i (LOA 11,48): c12

Errr... isn't the Sun Odyssey the larger yacht according to your figures?

 

[psousa]

obviously is a mistake! fixed

 

[sailor211]

Size of cabins, head or heads, owners stateroom, Beam and draft foe volume, need to see the layout.

 

[Martin_J]

RCD seems to base the 'Maximum number of Persons' on available seating area. .. This may not be the actual safe limit of persons on board after other issues such as weight have been taken into account..

See chapter 6 here...
Recreational Craft Directive 2014 pdf

 

[psousa]

Everything is bigger except the draft (the same):

SO36i vs O37
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LWL: 9,84 vs 10,39 m
Beam: 3,92 vs 3,59 m
Draft: 1,9 vs 1,9 m
Keel weight: 1.6k vs 1.9k kg
Displacement: 5,7k vs 6,5k kg

Also the cockpit and saloon feels bigger!
Weird...

 

[psousa]

Fuel and water capacity are similar, which make it even more strange... (after reading few lines of the chapter 6, Martin_J)

 

[AllanG]

Realistically, it doesn't really matter, 'cos in my experience sailing on my mate's Oceanis 37, I certainly wouldn't want 10 persons onboard when sailing, or any other time to be honest!!

 

[psousa]

Realistically, it doesn't really matter, 'cos in my experience sailing on my mate's Oceanis 37, I certainly wouldn't want 10 persons onboard when sailing, or any other time to be honest!!

You're absolutely right, AllanG!
Just trying to find some logic here. Specially knowing both yacht builders belongs to the same company group (Beneteau and Jeanneau).

 

[Tranona]

You're absolutely right, AllanG!
Just trying to find some logic here. Specially knowing both yacht builders belongs to the same company group (Beneteau and Jeanneau).

There is a logic to it which you will get if you read the attachment in post#5. The key to the number of people is the overall payload and its effect on stability in the category for which it is being assessed with an overall limit determined by the maximum number of seating spaces. You are taking a far too simplistic view using just a "size" criterion differences of which, particularly when small have little impact on their own.

It is much more obvious what happens if you look at boats that are on the margins of CAT B/A which is mostly in the 30-33' range. My Bavaria 33 is Cat A for 6 persons and CAT B for 8 persons simply because the additional payload means it cannot reach the stability measure for CAT A. Many other boats in the same sector of the market are the same.

In practice it is largely meaningless - just a number that comes out of the stability calculations, unless you live in a country like Portugal that uses the Categories literally as a base for licencing and determining how many people you can legally carry and where you can use the boat. It is also commonly used as a maximum payload for coding for charter. So my Bav 37 was coded for 8 but would be perfectly safe with 10 on board in the environment in which it was used.

 

[Ric]

Realistically, it doesn't really matter, 'cos in my experience sailing on my mate's Oceanis 37, I certainly wouldn't want 10 persons onboard when sailing, or any other time to be honest!!

I think he is going into the people smuggling business. Why on earth would you want so many people on a boat otherwise?

I find any more than one person on my boat is too many.