Now you must check in and out of Italy

[tudorsailor]

This was posted on another forum recently. A change from when I last sailed from Croatia to Venice and back 2 years ago

On June 1st 2017, we sailed from Novigrad, Croatia to Grado, Italy. We checked out in Novigrad as usual. On arriving in Grado we were told we MUST now check in in Italy. I had to take passports, the ship's papers and insurance certificate to the Carabinieri office in Grado, and fill out a form. This was not stamped or signed by them, but I was given a copy. Since then, we have been asked at every marina if we have this check-in document! This is an apparent attempt to control illegal immigration.

We were told we will have to go to the Carabinieri again to check out. Apparently the Croatian police are fining yachtsmen € 350 if they cannot prove they have checked out correctly from Italy.

I thought that it should be shared

TudorSailor

 

[RupertW]

This was posted on another forum recently. A change from when I last sailed from Croatia to Venice and back 2 years ago

On June 1st 2017, we sailed from Novigrad, Croatia to Grado, Italy. We checked out in Novigrad as usual. On arriving in Grado we were told we MUST now check in in Italy. I had to take passports, the ship's papers and insurance certificate to the Carabinieri office in Grado, and fill out a form. This was not stamped or signed by them, but I was given a copy. Since then, we have been asked at every marina if we have this check-in document! This is an apparent attempt to control illegal immigration.

We were told we will have to go to the Carabinieri again to check out. Apparently the Croatian police are fining yachtsmen € 350 if they cannot prove they have checked out correctly from Italy.

I thought that it should be shared

TudorSailor

Blimey - that changes things a bit - as usual when we left Brindisi for Croatia in May, we just left. Same way we tend to arrive - tie up, pay marina fee and that's it.

We were asked by the police in Korcula where our check out papers were from Italy, but we said, 'It's Italy - no paperwork and they laughed'. But if this came in on 1st June it will catch people out who are already in Italy and planning to cross.

 

[RichardS]

We've already discussed this change in another thread earlier this week and my comment was that chaos will reign come the 1st July when the Italians start their exodus across the Adriatic. :ambivalence:

Richard

 

[crisjones]

We checked out of Porec to Venice on 1st June and came back into Porec on the 8th June. No mention of any check-out paperwork from Italy and no evidence of any authorities in Italy making any efforts to see if we had checked in when we arrived, although we were at anchor off Burano so away from the main areas. There were police boats in evidence around Burano but they never came near us for anything!!

Obviously the "new rules" are not widely known or enforced yet??

 

[RichardS]

We checked out of Porec to Venice on 1st June and came back into Porec on the 8th June. No mention of any check-out paperwork from Italy and no evidence of any authorities in Italy making any efforts to see if we had checked in when we arrived, although we were at anchor off Burano so away from the main areas. There were police boats in evidence around Burano but they never came near us for anything!!

Obviously the "new rules" are not widely known or enforced yet??

As I understood it from the other thread (Barnacle I think), this is primarily a new regulation being imposed by the Croatian authorities and will probably apply to any boat which is not "resident" in Croatia. The Croatians apparently asked the Italian authorities to assist them by issuing clear-out paperwork and the Italians agreed.

The individual Italian ports might or might not issue arrival documents and probably are being given mixed messages by central government (no change there!). However, if the situation lives up to its billing, the chaos will start at Croatian ports of entry if and when the Italians don't issue departure documents to Italian sailors whose boats are not resident in Croatia or those sailors don't even ask for it. :ambivalence:

Richard

 

[sailaboutvic]

Richard , has I understand it no EU country including Malta issue checking in or out papers , ( other then Croatia )
leaving Greece previous years we had a job on our hands to get them to stamp our DEKPA and most of the time they wouldn't have any of it .
It be interesting to see if Italy goes a head with it .

 

[BrianH]

As I understood it from the other thread (Barnacle I think), this is primarily a new regulation being imposed by the Croatian authorities and will probably apply to any boat which is not "resident" in Croatia. The Croatians apparently asked the Italian authorities to assist them by issuing clear-out paperwork and the Italians agreed.

The individual Italian ports might or might not issue arrival documents and probably are being given mixed messages by central government (no change there!). However, if the situation lives up to its billing, the chaos will start at Croatian ports of entry if and when the Italians don't issue departure documents to Italian sailors whose boats are not resident in Croatia or those sailors don't even ask for it. :ambivalence:

Richard

A couple of anecdotal observations.
A German friend who complied to the letter by filling out the supplied crew list and had it stamped by the required Carabinieri office before departure, offered it to the police post and harbour offices in the Croatian port of Umag when clearing in and both officials waved it away - although they were aware of what it was.

We both have been informed that, as permanent Italian berth-holders, there is no requirement to report back in on return to Italy.

This morning, still in my marina, an Italian friend has informed that it is no longer necessary to visit the Carabinieri for a stamp on the form, all that is necessary is to email a copy to the Carabinieri (he will email me a copy of the form with email address). No response will be forthcoming, it is enough to just depart for Croatia.

The implication can only be that the Italian Carabinieri inform the Croatian police by email of who is on passage, which may explain the lack of interest in the hard-copy of my friends when clearing in. As we know, Croatia has a sophisticated IT system and an extensive data base of visiting vessels accessible from any and all ports and marinas.

 

[sailaboutvic]

A couple of anecdotal observations.
A German friend who complied to the letter by filling out the supplied crew list and had it stamped by the required Carabinieri office before departure, offered it to the police post and harbour offices in the Croatian port of Umag when clearing in and both officials waved it away - although they were aware of what it was.

We both have been informed that, as permanent Italian berth-holders, there is no requirement to report back in on return to Italy.

This morning, still in my marina, an Italian friend has informed that it is no longer necessary to visit the Carabinieri for a stamp on the form, all that is necessary is to email a copy to the Carabinieri (he will email me a copy of the form with email address). No response will be forthcoming, it is enough to just depart for Croatia.

The implication can only be that the Italian Carabinieri inform the Croatian police by email of who is on passage, which may explain the lack of interest in the hard-copy of my friends when clearing in. As we know, Croatia has a sophisticated IT system and an extensive data base of visiting vessels accessible from any and all ports and marinas.

Barnacle is this just for Italian reg boats heading for Croatia ? I asking because , we cross from italy early part of the year , we also know many that have crossed since april/ May , none know anything about this , to night I chatting to an Italian guy anchor near me , he too don't know anything about this .

 

[BrianH]

Barnacle is this just for Italian reg boats heading for Croatia ? I asking because , we cross from italy early part of the year , we also know many that have crossed since april/ May , none know anything about this , to night I chatting to an Italian guy anchor near me , he too don't know anything about this .

Hi Vic.
Apparently, Croatia made the request for a "Sospensione Schengen" to the EU at the G7 conference in Taormina, 26-27 May, 2017 and it was granted immediately. This was possibly because no other agreement could be made on any sort of plan to solve the crisis of arriving migrants in Italy.

According to a one page hard-copy statement in Italian and German that was delivered to all boats in my marina, Aprilia Marittima, last week, all boats departing Italy for Croatia must have cleared a crew list with the Italian Carabinieri.

This is due to Croatian concerns that the enormous number of illegal immigrants now in Italy, that are attempting to migrate to other EU countries, may be carried by leisure craft across the Adriatic.

Consequently and irrespective of where based, any yacht bound for Croatia now (since 27th May) has to clear from Italy by having a crew list confirmed by the Carabinieri at the port of departure. A form for my area is available in the marina offices and should be filled out and stamped by the central Carabinieri office in Lignano prior to departure. Except today I have been told of an alternative possibility of a statement list of all crew with passport numbers can be emailed to the Carabinieri.

I have nothing formal, all the above has been gleaned from local hearsay sources and a visit to the local Carabinieri office when driving my friend to get the stamp on his crew list before departing. So, 'do your own due diligence', all the above could easily disappear in a puff of smoke when the armada begins its annual Adriatic crossing in July.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Hi Vic.
Apparently, Croatia made the request for a "Sospensione Schengen" to the EU at the G7 conference in Taormina, 26-27 May, 2017 and it was granted immediately. This was possibly because no other agreement could be made on any sort of plan to solve the crisis of arriving migrants in Italy.

According to a one page hard-copy statement in Italian and German that was delivered to all boats in my marina, Aprilia Marittima, last week, all boats departing Italy for Croatia must have cleared a crew list with the Italian Carabinieri.

This is due to Croatian concerns that the enormous number of illegal immigrants now in Italy, that are attempting to migrate to other EU countries, may be carried by leisure craft across the Adriatic.

Consequently and irrespective of where based, any yacht bound for Croatia now (since 27th May) has to clear from Italy by having a crew list confirmed by the Carabinieri at the port of departure. A form for my area is available in the marina offices and should be filled out and stamped by the central Carabinieri office in Lignano prior to departure. Except today I have been told of an alternative possibility of a statement list of all crew with passport numbers can be emailed to the Carabinieri.

I have nothing formal, all the above has been gleaned from local hearsay sources and a visit to the local Carabinieri office when driving my friend to get the stamp on his crew list before departing. So, 'do your own due diligence', all the above could easily disappear in a puff of smoke when the armada begins its annual Adriatic crossing in July.

Thanks for all that Barnacle. Be interesting to see what happen.
I can't see the Greek doing any thing like that ,
I wonder if Alexsailor has any info from his country as it just next door .
ALEX ,,, are you there ?

 

[tonybell]

We are in Trani on the way to Vieste and across to Lastavo.
We are getting no where with this new enter/exit stuff with the PP or Carabinieri.
They say it's not required and will not issue and paperwork as we are uk people with uk boat.
Anyone checked into Lastivo since 1 june please

 

[BrianH]

We are in Trani on the way to Vieste and across to Lastavo.
We are getting no where with this new enter/exit stuff with the PP or Carabinieri.
They say it's not required and will not issue and paperwork as we are uk people with uk boat.
Anyone checked into Lastivo since 1 june please

As my northern Italian friends remind me constantly, the south is another world where regulations are meaningless - especially newly-implemented ones that may not have filtered down from the ministerial level in less efficient regions.

Here in the Friuli-Veneziana-Guilia region the system is working smoothly and I know many who have departed for Croatia after complying with the requirements that we have been requested to do. That includes German and Austrian registered craft, which, as not local Italians, would be analogous to your UK registration - unless by being permanently berthed in Italy affects their case, although the Carabinieri did not make that a stipulation.

I personally would not consider departing Italy for Croatia without a copy of the official crew-list stamped by the Carabinieri before leaving - Or the alternative is a PDF copy that has been emailed to the local Carabinieri office and an identical hard-copy printed for presentation in Coatia, if asked.

I know of a German boat with two German nationals on board whose correctly-stamped crew-list document was waved away on clearing in Croatia. I also know of an Italian arriving who was fined €250 on entering without the document.

 

[BrianH]

We are in Trani on the way to Vieste and across to Lastavo.
We are getting no where with this new enter/exit stuff with the PP or Carabinieri.
They say it's not required and will not issue and paperwork as we are uk people with uk boat.
Anyone checked into Lastivo since 1 june please

An afterthought: The crew-list I have is very local and headed by reference to the local "Stazione Carabinieri - Polizia di Frontera Lignano Sabbiadoro (UD)".
It is intended as a clearing document from the local Port of Entry/Departure and if obtained in Trani would not be valid if you intend departing from Vieste, which is, from my recollection, quite a substantial harbour (I was never in Trani).

It clearly would be only correct to clear from Vieste where the officials may be better informed. A repeat from my post above, the Carabinieri here in Lignano only control and stamp the crew list, they do not provide it. Mine was obtained from my marina office and I would expect the HM of a Port of Entry to have copies.

Hope this helps.

.

 

[crisjones]

We are in Trani on the way to Vieste and across to Lastavo.
We are getting no where with this new enter/exit stuff with the PP or Carabinieri.
They say it's not required and will not issue and paperwork as we are uk people with uk boat.
Anyone checked into Lastivo since 1 june please

We checked into Lastovo about a month ago so before the new regs were introduced.
I cannot imagine a more laid back check-in procedure anywhere else in Croatia, we were not even asked for sailing qualifications (ICC or similar). I would guess that Lastovo is probably the last place in Croatia to hear about these new regs and also the least likely to enforce them so it is probably the best place to aim for if you cannot get the required paperwork - still no guarantee that you will not get fined.

We have a friend who is likely to be checking into Lastovo very soon so I will pass on any info as soon as I can.

 

[sailaboutvic]

What suprises me with this is ,
one would think if it all about migrants the Croatian would require the same for other country as in Greece and so far I not heard any thing ,
plus I would thing you have a real problem getting the PP in Greece to exit a boat .
Also I don't quite understand how emailing the caribinieri a copy of the crew list help you unless they email you a stamp copy back .
Am I missing some thing ?

 

[BrianH]

What suprises me with this is ,
one would think if it all about migrants the Croatian would require the same for other country as in Greece and so far I not heard any thing ,
plus I would thing you have a real problem getting the PP in Greece to exit a boat .
Also I don't quite understand how emailing the caribinieri a copy of the crew list help you unless they email you a stamp copy back .
Am I missing some thing ?

I thought so too, which is why, in a post above, I speculated that the Italians email their Croatian counterparts of who has cleared out. As one needs to print the crew-list PDF file sent to the Carabinieri it is of no use to me anyway as I have no printer on board.

Below is the email from my local Carabinieri office offering the service to which they attached the editable PDF form.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

PER UNA CORRETTA E UNIFICATA TRASMISSIONE DELLE LISTE PASSEGGERI SI RACCOMANDA DI:
INVIARE LO SPECCHIO ALLEGATO ALL’ INDIRIZZO stud511620@carabinieri.it.
NELL’ OGGETTO DELLA E-MAIL SCRIVERE: NOME E COGNOME (DEL COMANDANTE O PROPRIETARIO) NOME DELL’ IMBARCAZIONE E UN NUMERO DI CELLULARE
NEL TESTO DELLA E-MAIL SCRIVERE: DICHIARAZIONE ESPATRIO PER CROAZIA
STAMPARE LA DICHIARAZIONE DI ESPATRIO E LA MAIL INOLTRATA AI NOSTRI UFFICI CHE SERVIRA’ DA RICEVUTA
NON ALLEGARE ALCUNA COPIA DI DOCUMENTI
NON SERVE PIU’ VENIRE IN STAZIONE CARABINIERI
BUONA GIORNATA
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

[Metabarca]

Barnac1e,
your message from the Carabinieri seems to suggest that the 'receipt' is merely a print-out of the mail sent to the Carabinieri. Which is extraordinary in a land of bolli, and triple-stamped documents.

 

[BrianH]

Barnac1e,
your message from the Carabinieri seems to suggest that the 'receipt' is merely a print-out of the mail sent to the Carabinieri. Which is extraordinary in a land of bolli, and triple-stamped documents.

:encouragement:
Laid back, or what?

The throughput was getting too much for them so they thought they'd streamline things a little.

 

[crisjones]

Friends checked into Ubli, Lastovo yesterday, they left from Italy. No mention of check out proof from Italy, very quick and laid back not even asked for qualifications.

 

[tonybell]

Checked into Ubli on 22 june at 15.00
No problems with pleasant pp or harbourmaster,
Nobody asked for Italy exit papers or ICC
I think the new rules havn,t filtered down to
Lastaovo yet