Now the Hire Companies are fed up!

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From http://www.narrowboatworld.com:-
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Environment Agency accused of giving in to heath and safety issues on the Thames
MANY boat hire companies on the Thames are complaining that the recent rainfall has hit their business, for which they blame the Environment Agency for putting up red warning boards.

Red warning boards are put up when the agency believes the river, though not in flood, could be dangerous for 'amateur' boaters, which means that hire compenies cannot allow hirers onto the parts of the river where the the boards appear, so lose business.

This leaves hirers having to choose whether to cancel their trips or get a licenced skipper to take the boat through the red board reaches of the river. This means that in many cases hire companies are having to give hirers their money back for cancelled bookings.

One hirer, Gordon Wicks, of Caversham Boat Services, confirmed:

"We had a slow start to the season due to the weather and we are now again struggling. We're having to give money back to customers. No business can survive long having to refund money."

Business believe that the Environment Agency's fear of health and safety issues are forcing it to put warning boards up too quickly and not being removed when river flows are safe.

But the agency's Eileen McKeever maintained that any changes in water levels can be dangerous and safety must come first, pointing out the unusual high flows.

One regular Thanes hirer Malcolm Ready told narrowboatworld:

"Four of us have regularly hired on the Thames, as we have friends and relatives living near the river whom we call to see, and they tell us that they often now see warning notices out on levels that they never did before.

"And though it will not be until later in the year when we hire again, we are worried that we will be effected by this new safety, safety safety panic."

Narrowboaters too have had to moor-up whilst the boards were out, not being allowed through locks, but giving way to pressure, Louis Jankel tells us that the agency has agreed to give a five days extension to their visitor permits. 13/06

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Personally - I have just booked my two weeks sailing in Holland, fed up with Red Boards every time somebody spits in the River.
 
I ignore Red boards and look at the real picture.

If the flow is not excessive in my opinion of what my craft can easily cope with, then I'm off boating...

Sure, there are other considerations, some which affect me, others, such as draught and river height would not, given the 1'6" draught and low air draught, but I'm always on the lookout for high speed flotsam etc. if travelling against the flow.

I consider Red boards to be overused, and Yellows underused.

When it comes to Hire boats, I think while the dangers in terms of human life might be a little overestimated, they can't be ignored, and while Hirers with little experience could certainly damage the River infrastructure, and other vessels, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to let them out unless the going is good.

After all, some of those rented boats are several tonnes in weight, and lord knows what an out of control one could do to a Weir at 10 knots /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Pity the hire companies though... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
This must be a complete nightmare for the hire companies especially after last Summer. I am not sure what they can do about it though. The quote in the article was from a experienced boater who probably is quite capable of handling the conditions. But what about the first timer. The boat will be able to cope with it, but can the crew? I remember the first time I ever took a boat through a lock was a pretty daunting experience.

Last Summer as the floods were subsiding I went up through Mapledurham which was on yellow baords. The turbulence thrown up by the weir on the approach would challenge the most experienced boater.

The year before I helped a family on a hire boat coming up through Mapledurham just as the lock keeper was going off duty, taking their ropes and explaining how the manual operation worked. They had entered with the engine roaring in something of a panic. As I chatted to the teenage son who had the bow rope I spotted his sister standing with the other rope, dripping wet. It seems she had fallen in as they pushed off from the layby. Just a ducking and a bit of hurt pride but if the weir stream had been crashing through it could have been much more serious.

Having said all that I really hate the apparent obsession in this country with health and safety. As a keen mountain walker (not so much now sadly) I look back on some of my early exploits and shudder. I lived to tell the tale though and they were great learning experiences. If I had died sliding off some ice covered rock it would have been my own stupid fault, not the mountain rescue team for not stopping me from going out in the first place.
 
This was lead story on BBC Radio Berskshire early morning news earlier this week, either Tuesday or Wednesday.

Thought quite that bthis was regarded as so newsworthy.

IanC
 
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This was lead story on BBC Radio Berskshire early morning news earlier this week, either Tuesday or Wednesday.

Thought quite that bthis was regarded as so newsworthy.

IanC

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It was also on the TV News in our area and repeated several times.
 
So, the unanswered question is " are conditions different now or does it just seem like it?"

As I understand it, the display of Yellow and Red boards coincides with the number of sluices pulled at each weir ? If so, has that relationship changed or are we actually just convincing ourselves something is different when it isn't?
 
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As I understand it, the display of Yellow and Red boards coincides with the number of sluices pulled at each weir ? If so, has that relationship changed or are we actually just convincing ourselves something is different when it isn't?

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Seem to recall Teddington_Lock on here saying that it does and that at Teddington at least the relationship hasn't changed - I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Whatever the reason, sure seems like we are getting much more red boards than in years past.

Darren.
 
We have had our new weir for ( i think ) well over 10 years now , the pulling order was changed back then when the new weir was built as it had a totally different layout and numbers of gates, but i suspect the trigger points for reds and yellows stayed approximately the same or as near as could be.
 
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I was one of these so called licenced skippers from 1991 to 2001 that used to move hire boats around. We were not licenced in any way and often had 2 boats to skipper. I never worked out how to split myself into two!!
 
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I was one of these so called licenced skippers from 1991 to 2001 that used to move hire boats around. We were not licenced in any way and often had 2 boats to skipper. I never worked out how to split myself into two!!

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I thought that any experienced person could be used and the onus on whether that person was sufficient in know-how laid with the Boatyard. As a matter of interest the word used was not 'licenced skipper' but 'Pilot'. In this capacity he (she) wore an arm band and would pilot one or more boats from location to location. The boat(s) without a pilot aboard following the other one.
Maybe things have changed perhaps someone will put me right on this.
 
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