Not the same sport at all.

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(Post brought on by D3B's 'Vitriol' post)

All the mobo versus sail nonsense on SB has one cause and one cause only.

They are not the same sport. The fact that they both take place on the sea does not mean there is any kind of bond or sympathy.

Sailors generally enjoy peace, and quiet, respect tradition and have an understanding of the sea. MoBoers are more like seagoing bikers, except with more money and apparently fewer manners.

All the recent bad feeling has been caused by MoBoers deliberately trolling or just posting about things they know nothing about. They have their own forum, plus PBO for technical queries.

Problems are caused by big organisations - RYA, IPC etc - realising that there is more money in MoBoing so they pander to them and dilute our windborne purity with their noise and smell.

Come on sailors - how many of you really count moboers among your friends rather than acquaintances?

I think any posts on here by MoBoers should be moved to the MoBo forum, with the exception of Brendan who is apparently a gentleman and honourary raggie.

(And PowerSkipper of course)

And btw this post is NOT vitriolic.

- W
 
You raise a good point there, There is not really a "pure" sailyyachty bit to this forum......There's one for the mobo's, several bitsy saily ones, (Ie liverboards and classyboats) one techy one, a slagging arena, but this bit here is actually not purely about sailing big boats,,, its kinda a mix of things.

As for not being the same sport.....is Mobo'ing a sport?

Is driving on the M1 a sport?

Nah, not really.

(BTW .... my two previous boats were a S34 and fairline 36...)

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IMHO I have to disagree I own a 19ft Seawych and a 5.6m RIB, I enjoy both on different days and with different members of the family - it is possible to be a raggie and a MOBO. I believe I am polite and obey the rules of the road in both.
 
I have never thought of either as a "sport".......

But in any event I think the "difference" is largely in the mind of those on internet forums.

IME arrogant twats in both MOBO's and........proper boats /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Sailors generally enjoy peace, and quiet, respect tradition and have an understanding of the sea.

[/ QUOTE ] Cor! I'm glad you said 'generally'.

Just think of those testosterone fuelled one design cruiser racers on a busy Solent weekend! The noise around the mark! Crunching, shouting, screaming hordes of machine and humanity - and all they're doing is going nowhere as fast as they can!
 
[And btw this post is NOT vitriolic.]

Just slightly acidic!

I believe that such animosity as there is comes from the Solent area almost exclusively, undoubtedly a case of "rat effect". On the few occasions when I have sailed there I have gained the impression that there are a number of people who have boats for purely social/posing purposes. Although I think this is true of both disciplines, inevitably, for a non sailor, a mobo looks a quicker and easier option.

In the area that I sail there is relatively little mobo activity and such as there is has never, in my experience, produced any form of problem either way.

All the nonsense about giving way is something that simply does not happen in my area, there is plenty of sea and relatively little activity. Most changes of course in response to other boats is to pass close enough to exchange a wave.
 
I have to disagree with the exclusion of mobos from the sport. IMHO, I would rather exclude a large percentage of the racing hooray henries. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif


If we have to be obnoxious to any particular member of those who like the water activities, why not pick on the PWCs

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For every inconsiderate MOBO owner you will find ten embarrassed by the bad behavioiur of a few, and if we think yotty sailors are all hale well met mateys, then deep down we know thats not true, and we have all met some very arrrogant and inconsiderate types in charge of or on board sailing vessels. I've raced against a few very unpleasant types.. like the bunch I lent a Lark to to race in..When it came back they had scrawled the course all over the spraydeck in indelible black marker, and didn't give a toss ...a small minority I am happy to say.

You just have to take as you find, and just because the last MOBO cut you up, don't take it out on the next one you meet who is probably a thoroughly decent sort......and we've all done that /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I much prefer sailing, but that doesn't mean I have not enjoyed time spent in MOBOs on the Thames and the Broads. Its just different thats all.

Is it Christmas frustration that is generating so much bile on the forums??

Tim
 
Driving up the M1 isn't a sport and nor is going for a walk in the countryside. I can't say I'd want to exclude anyone, though anyone who refers to either as a sport would be high on my list. If you ain't racing, it ain't a sport.

And yes, I have raced both dinghies, big boats and powerboats in my time.

PCWs are fun, too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Well we belong to Parkstone YC, one of the largest and best clubs on the south coast if not the UK, with some 2,500 members across racing dinghies, cats, inshore and offshore racers, cruisers of all sizes and.....mobos. Not surprisingly then, we DO have friends with mobos and they don't fall into the pigeon holes of prejudice broadcast by folks on here.

Our mobo friends are in mobos for a variety of reasons. Several have time constraints, like businesses that run 6 days/week which allow only one day at a time on the water and they want to do more than sail in the same small circle. Others are dinghy or small keelboat racers who keep a mobo for cruising comfort. Others still are ex-raggies with health reasons for making the switch rather than give up being afloat.

That doesn't mean there are not irritating pillocks in mobos in our area, because Poole for sure has more than it's fair share. But then Poole has it's fair share of pillocks under sail too and I've probably shouted at both camps in fairly equal numbers.

And if THIS post isn't a TROLL I don't know what is.
 
I too thought this was probably a troll, but now I am not so sure . . .

Just looking through the current crop of threads it would seem that SB is currently being taken over either by technical threads that would be better on PBO or by threads started by MoBoers trying to stir things up.

Maybe we should head over to their forum en masse and start a few threads explaining a few points that they obviously have failed to grasp . . .

- W
 
I started sailing at the age of 10 and I have oodles of offshore experience and trophies to prove my abilities /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

I agree it is infuriating when some halfwit argues with me and appears to induce a following just because they post more on this forum and know their way around the Solent /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.

I switched to power recently as swmbo wasn't keen on the 'Tipping' , anyone short of time , I can thoroughly recommend switching to power, you can make it to St Peter port on Friday evening after leaving work .

I cruised from the Humber to Chichester one day and made it in time for dinner !

It is equally enjoyable but I do miss the buzz of a Race and the Trophy acceptance dinner speeches.

There are other ways to get a buzz /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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A level Psychology students could explain all this with Social Identity Theory:

The basic idea is that our identities are socialy defined. So we see ourselves as part of a group (football team, tribe etc). There is good evidence to show that we will actively discriminate against other people who are not of our group in order to further affirm our group membership.

It makes sense if you think that it is the insecure person who will bully the person who is not in 'our gang.' They need the group membership to prop up their identity.

You also find this prejudice in any other walk of life you care to mention. Flying, football, race issues, workplace etc. So its not the type of boat that causes the friction but simply our individual need to affirm our identity through group membership.

Now I know this is complicated and the Mobo's will probably not be able to understand, but we will at least understand their behaviour better.

Hope that helps!
 
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Now I know this is complicated and the Mobo's will probably not be able to understand, but we will at least understand their behaviour better.


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Maybe we should head over to their forum en masse and start a few threads explaining a few points that they obviously have failed to grasp . . .


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Some of us, myself included do post on the mobo forum and why not? Sometimes I have to say there is less twaddle posted over there than on SB! And yes I have posted on 'their' forum my disapproval of the Poole moboherd that stampedes out of Poole on a hot summer Sunday morning, for the record it received very sympathetic replies and some said they had witnessed it and were as dismayed by it as I was. But then I've seen similarly crazy behaviour by some of the dinghy and keelboat racers in Poole, some of them from my own YC too, which whilst they are slower and create less wash are every bit as disconcerting in their own way even though as a raggie I have some chance of predicting their moves. Some of our club Dart (cat) sailers for example think nothing of flying a hull at high speed in the narrow channel across the stern of us in our berth in the marina on their way back in after a race - I pray that the inevitable crash with a yacht or mobo leaving it's berth never does happen. There is of course a speed limit in our YC marina, most often broken by dinghy members under sail or in the many rescue RIBs. We had a visitor in a mobo this year actually complain about the wash from some of our RIBs going out and quite right he was too, how embarassing is that (or should be) to a YC!

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, if that is the right quote?

Troll perpetuated...
 
I cant imagin sailing a mobo rather than a good sailboat! Id like to say mobo posts should be moved!!And how bad rude they are at sea and in port:

Unfortunatly while there are many mobo pigs,there are today far more new sailboat super pigs!!

The mobo lot have always shown more consideration provided more & better help,not to mention better drinks and snacks than sailboats which tend to be more sniffy snooty these days.
 
oooeeerrrrr a quandry !! which forum should I post on ??

I live on a yacht and love sailing, I go to work on a RIB and I teach Jetski through to 24M (power) for a living !

can someone tell me which forum to use ...PLEASE

Does/should EVERY like me ? or does/should NO-ONE like me ?

(THAT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION !!!!) /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Move on its ALL A GAME BOYS just a game /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
I wonder if it is all just an overcrowding issue related to European coastal waters, ports and overpriced 'facilities'? Chuck in the frantic scramble to get to and fro with car and boat,the vagaries of a bad summer..and people are mebbe shorter tempered than they would really wish to be..
Break away from the lemming mentality -'gosh,lets have a raft up!'- and boaters is boaters and vivre la difference.
I have been right royally entertained on canal boats,fishing boats,gaffers,planing boats and glorified camping dinghies.That is my personal experience,and have tried to reciprocate in unrefridgerated saily boats of limited battery, music and lounging facilities..
The only issue I have with ANY boat is insidious noise making that goes on and on.That would include generators and late night drunks.
Sorry to be so unflustered about this perceived issue..
 
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