Not a Botter or a Tjalk

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I am trying to identfy a small Dutch double ended sailing boat. Wooden, at a guess about 25 ft. Broad beam and tumblehome. Very blunt bow with the stem curling back on itself. Massive very unbalanced rudder on stern post. Small coach house rising steeply towards the companionway and an open cockpit. Mast in a tabernacle. Looks like one that used to be in Birdham Pool. I'd be grateful if anybody can suggest some more traditional type names like Botter and Tjalk.
 
Try this adress for some photoes:
http://www.traditioneelzeilen.nl/ned/index_ned.php
Click on the boat types to see an image of the ship.
Unfortunately the English page doesn't work when I tried it.
A summary of shiptypes see this adress:
http://www.zeilcharter.nl/idx.html
Click on "Schepen" in the header, and find a list of shiptypes on the next page. Search there for the text : (klik hier) , means: click here (occurs several times on that page)
for more detailed info and drawings.
Kind regards
 
Well, I would like to help you out, since I've got dozens of books on the subject ( Low Countries Maritime heritage), but I'm afraid pictures or even measurements are needed. Accurate identification of the type is sometimes a bit frustrating. Types with almost identical hullshapes are i.e. made to differ by form or size of rudder, or form of leeboard.
If she's 25 ft, she certainly isn't a tjalk, they start at 40 tons displacement!. A botter is rather easy to spot, with the scharp recurved bow, and a low aft deck, but I've never seen one in this lenght. A boeier is more likely, they come in all sizes . Other possibilities are: Fries jacht, tjotter, Staverse jol, rondjacht, poon (...no, to big, too rare..)
Lemsteraak is a possibility -they are easy to confuse with a boeier, as they mainly differ by lenght-to-beam ratio- but the construction of the type started well in the late 60's, so unlikely to be found in England. Dozens of Dutch boeiers were sold off to Britain in the 30's and 50's.
 
Seen her size this can probably only be a Boeier.
You don't mention if she is flat-bottomed our round bottomed. These are the two main types in which Dutch traditional boats are devided. This information would bring the number of possible boats down to half. The fact she is a double ender also will eliminate quite a number. please give us some more information.

further to Thalassa: if she's 25 ft, she can't be a Botter, nor a Lemsteraak (they don't come under 32-33 ft, a Fries Jacht has no cabin, nor has a Tjotter (where a Fries Jacht is round-bottomed like a Boeier and a Tjotter is flat-bottomed)she can't be a Staverse Jol, which has a flat transom and no leeboards, it can't be a Schouw of any sort, because a Schouw has a flat bow and a flat stern, nor a Grundel which is no double ender. Maybe a Punter, which is, but they rarely come with a cabin etcetera...

again, any more info would be helpful.

cheers
 
Thanks everybody - sorry I could not do a photo but from the websites you found for me she's got to be a boeier. One of them has a photo which is a dead ringer. I was asking because I have acquired the hull of large scale model over two feet long and would like to restore it. My guess that the full size version is about 25ft comes from scaling up the size of the cabin door! Making models is what I do when my Sabre 27 needs no work so you can guess when this model is ever going to get to the top of the job list.
 
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