Actionmat
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Has this chap hit the nail on the head?
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/yoursay...e___s_a_simple_reason_the_floods_keep_coming/
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/yoursay...e___s_a_simple_reason_the_floods_keep_coming/
Non tidal dredging
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apollo
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you know, I know it - but watch the "experts" come and dispute it.
Chris_d
Well-known member
I'm sure Mr Boreham of Oxford is as much an expert as anybody on this forum, just take the side that fits your particular predudice.
However looking backwards is usually never the answer, you have to go forward from where you are.
However looking backwards is usually never the answer, you have to go forward from where you are.
teddington_lock
New member
That's interesting.
Could you provide a link to the paper showing that the government required the river bed to be re profiled please ?
I'd like to see that.
Could you provide a link to the paper showing that the government required the river bed to be re profiled please ?
I'd like to see that.
Ramage
Active member
Not proof that the Government required the dredging, but this paper certainly refers to the reduction in dredging post the EA take-over.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/misc/FISC_1947-2006/pdf/1st-7thFISCs-CD/8thFISC/Session 3A-4_Thorne.pdf
http://pubs.usgs.gov/misc/FISC_1947-2006/pdf/1st-7thFISCs-CD/8thFISC/Session 3A-4_Thorne.pdf
teddington_lock
New member
Thanks 
saved that away for a rainy night shift , looks quite in depth.
Still be interested to read about the government requiring it .
saved that away for a rainy night shift , looks quite in depth.Still be interested to read about the government requiring it .
Actionmat
Well-known member
A quick googling came up with this, (see line 278) although it doesn't state that the Govt. forced who ever was in charge at the time to do it.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/18966/1/N018966PP.pdf
And this….
Is the Mail making this up? It explains a lot if there's any truth in it.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ibed-one-undefended-flood-plains-England.html
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Chris_d
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A quick googling came up with this, (see line 278) although it doesn't state that the Govt. forced who ever was in charge at the time to do it.
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/18966/1/N018966PP.pdf
And this….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ibed-one-undefended-flood-plains-England.html
Thats an interesting document, conclusion that 2000-2009 flow rates are 20% higher than the 1894-1999 averages is what we are seeing.
Actionmat
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We had flood plains then, now we have sandbags and quangos.
Chris_d
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We still have flood plains but they are covered in houses
Flynnbarr
Well-known member
The EA thought they had financial heaven,a self dredging river.They listened to experts that told them what they wanted to hear,not to people who had worked the river for generations.
But surely,as all boat owners know,if you don't do the boring time consuming expensive maintenance it will come back and bite you on your arse eventually.
But surely,as all boat owners know,if you don't do the boring time consuming expensive maintenance it will come back and bite you on your arse eventually.
Actionmat
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I found this a depressing read. If it was a new document I'd think we were getting somewhere as they're very aware of all issues and promised to do something about it years ago(apart from dredging at all costs). Even the narrowboat problem gets an honourable mention.
Re: The provision of 24hr moorings within a 30 minute cruise:
"There will be a presumption against choosing
sites that require dredging, unless absolutely
essential. Offshore jetties would be considered
as an alternative."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...achment_data/file/289784/geth1205bjyc-e-e.pdf
Where did it all go wrong?
Re: The provision of 24hr moorings within a 30 minute cruise:
"There will be a presumption against choosing
sites that require dredging, unless absolutely
essential. Offshore jetties would be considered
as an alternative."
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...achment_data/file/289784/geth1205bjyc-e-e.pdf
Where did it all go wrong?
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oldgit
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When it started raining ?
Actionmat
Well-known member
It must have been raining poop, narrowboats and environmental impact assessments. It's time for a shower of cash.
I like the Mails suggestion of spending the £1.1bn given away in foreign aid on the river.
I like the Mails suggestion of spending the £1.1bn given away in foreign aid on the river.
boatone
Well-known member
At last - the light is dawning.
Actionmat
Well-known member
The problem here is the light source. If we didn't have annual licences I'd be happy to pay towards it, but the thing is we already do.
I'm happy to contribute, it's a privilege to be on the non tidal Thames but enough is enough.
I'm happy to contribute, it's a privilege to be on the non tidal Thames but enough is enough.
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boatone
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That's why the TMBA called last year for a complete review of the charging regime: http://www.tmba.org.uk/20-september-2013-tmba-calls-for-review-of-ea-navigation-charges/
In 2011 I published a short paper "There is only one real issue - funding" which I still believe states the position simply and clearly - but, with the onset of the austerity era, the objectives are further away than ever.
http://www.tmba.org.uk/key-issues/there-is-only-one-real-issue-funding/
What makes matters worse is the apparent inability of the EA and users to come together to try and identify a way forward. There is a lack of trust on both sides - and with good reason - but it is sad to see just how far the relationship appears to have broken down.
Incidentally, it doesn't need anything like £1 billion - just £10-15 million a year would largely solve the problem.
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Flynnbarr
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Sad about what's happening to the thames?
It's happened.
I do some week day boating and haven't seen a lock keeper this year,only self service signs.
One question.why the lack of trust on both sides?i can understand users not trusting the EA but why don't they trust us,what have we done?
It's happened.
I do some week day boating and haven't seen a lock keeper this year,only self service signs.
One question.why the lack of trust on both sides?i can understand users not trusting the EA but why don't they trust us,what have we done?
Actionmat
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I haven't been out much but when I have they've been manned. It says something about the people on the Thames, that the Lockies are held in high regard whatever we think of their employer. Any other organisation receives hostility at the point of contact.
It looks like the ministers and the EA don't get on either..
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/11/uk-britain-floods-cameron-idUKBREA1A1M120140211
Dave says we're a wealthy country and for once he was telling the truth. The EA spent £2.4m on PR last year. That's mental, there were about 1000 boats in the Jubilee pageant, they spent the income from 4 times as many while asking for unpaid volunteers and claiming to be skint.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...le-run-Britain-never-touch-flood-debacle.html
It looks like the ministers and the EA don't get on either..
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/11/uk-britain-floods-cameron-idUKBREA1A1M120140211
Dave says we're a wealthy country and for once he was telling the truth. The EA spent £2.4m on PR last year. That's mental, there were about 1000 boats in the Jubilee pageant, they spent the income from 4 times as many while asking for unpaid volunteers and claiming to be skint.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...le-run-Britain-never-touch-flood-debacle.html
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ianc1200
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We don't respect their concerns for the depressed river mussels.